It is disappointing that it took Gage until 2006 to see what happened. Architects and Structural Engineers worth their salt should have recognized it immediately because it violated fundamental principles. That said, it is good that he did awaken, and even better that he dedicated himself to digging for and exposing a part of the truth.
As explorations into this topic have developed in the 20+ yrs since the incident, there have been many worthwhile explorations into the ‘how’ question and the ‘why’ question. It’s good to pursue these avenues of thinking, no doubt. However, there is a point where one reaches the end of analyzing the evidence available, and we delve into hypotheses and suppositions. And this can naturally evolve into questions about motivations and ‘who is more right’, etc. Comparing hypotheses is fine and useful, but I would offer that when thinking moves into Camps, subscribing to one hypothesis over another, then we my lose sight of the fundamental observation.
In the case of the WTC, Judy Wood’s exploration raises extremely important questions and concerns, and as regards her examination of the forensic evidence, she is very thorough--more thorough than Richard Gage et. al. There is a point, however, where she moves explicitly into the realm of proposing a hypothesis, some of which fits the observable evidence, and some of which is just a searching for a plausible explanation. That isn’t to say her hypothesis is untenable, but it is also unprovable and untestable (unless someone invents a time machine).
The fundamental observation is that the official narrative is an elaborate lie. The government lied to everyone. They lied and used this lie to justify dismantling the Constitution and attacked our rights to privacy and liberty. The media joined in this lie, amplifying its reach. Scientists supported the lie and produced bogus science and papers to support it. The military acted on this lie, draining the coffers and filling coffins. The weapons contractors profited tremendously, raining cruise missiles on a nation already severely decimated by economic sanctions that had killed millions of children. The judiciary pretended that the right to trial didn’t matter, turned a blind eye to torture and extrajudicial execution. Nearly every pillar of society was affected, damaged severely.
All predicated on an elaborate lie.
The ‘how’ and ‘why’ the towers fell may never be fully unveiled. But the outcomes are known. The tragedy that has unfolded is known.
There is a point where asking ‘how’ and ‘why’ is academic. That is the exploration of theory. I would offer that focus is better spent on the reality of what that event means for us now. What matters is that people understand how deep the deception runs; people that may not have understood the reality of that fateful day, and how far the ripples of that great lie have reached, and how those seemingly unrelated ripples are cast out across the very same pond, Now.
In truth, the great lie of Covid is the descendent of the great lie of 9/11.
Don't be disappointed that busy people didn't focus their attention on everything you wanted them to and feel is important. People are busy building the world and raising their kids. Richard saw a glitch in the Matrix, then explored.
I feel like I can name dozens of events that people should recognize as a glitch, but few people do.
Just as a teaser: Why in the hell do people think that the Western leadership had enough information to conclude Hitler died at the bunker? Because Nazi radio said so? Because Russian troops who cleaned up two bones and a pile of ashes had a feeling?
He saw the glitch. He investigated.
Let's focus on that, and learn from it, and use what we learned to see how many people who can help guide past their brainwashing.
I hear you. This was, however, *much more* than a “glitch” in the matrix. For architects and structural engineers, this was like level one altered reality. There should have been huge blaring alarm bells going off immediately.
The general public being deceived is one thing. Professionals, quite another. This is another aspect of 9/11 so close to Covid.
Some questions asking how people get deceived in their own areas of expertise:
- Why do experienced statisticians get duped by shoddy statistics or deceptive data presentation?
- Why do experienced medical doctors get duped by pharma or the cdc/fda?
- Why do experienced scientists fail to sometimes ask critical basic questions?
How is it that a guy as sharp as John Ioannidis can look at the Bangladesh mask study and not speak to the truth—that the study is deeply flawed, misrepresented by the media, even fraudulent?
Like I said, I’m glad Richard Gage eventually woke up. But 5 yrs is a long time. I hope that kind of time does not have to pass before people wake up from recent deceptions and the ones that are incoming.
This isn’t meant as any kind of shaming of anyone, but a question: How is it that people are duped by lies that violate basic principles, in their own area of expertise?
All this gets to some of my point about Specialization being "anti-education" and part of the brainwashing process. Those who get deposited in some corner of the specialist maze lose their generalist abilities to more immediately apply nuance to complex situations. They grasp onto what they can until they see the glitch in the Matrix.
He is commendable for stepping forward and providing some leadership.
Absolutely. I have no reservations about commending his work, and to be clear, none of this is an attack on him or his organization.
But architects are supposed to be generalists!
I think this is closer to some of your discussions on math education, actually. Learning the basic principles being far more valuable and provident than doing mindless algorithmic iterations.
Your comment recalls one of my favorite 'quotes': “Areté implies a respect for the wholeness or oneness of life, and a consequent dislike of specialization. It implies a contempt for efficiency – or rather a much higher idea of efficiency, an efficiency which exists not in one department of life but in life itself.” ~ H. D. F. Kitto, The Greeks
I think it’s because they’re specialists in some other part of the field, busy and not curious. If your a structural engineer or architect working on mostly low rise or concrete rather than high rise steel you’d just think “plane hits big old steel building, building collapses, sounds about right.” If your slightly curious you read the general news in your journal and maybe some specialist peer reviewed papers if your really interested. Experts in your field look like they’ve got it sorted. Back to work on your own projects designing condos. Thinking about 9/11 isn’t going to feed the kids.
I do agree with your assertion that architects and structural engineers should have recognized much sooner there was something amiss in the towers falling. But perhaps an even better example would be from pilots, who would have to know the likelihood of 2 planes hitting these building by guys that had never flown anything but a simulator, and done so so poorly they failed flight school. And if that wasn't enough, the maneuver performed by the plane that "hit" the pentagon has been described as nearly impossible. In this case, the lack of wreckage and the impact hole left behind from this "incident" makes it immediately impossible to believe the official account here. And yet 21 years later it as accepted as the magic bullet in Dallas in 1963.
Yes, there were many starting points. All kinds of expertise that could be brought to critique the obvious holes in the narrative, of which there are many. Pilots are a great example, as are cellular communications techies (calls from planes). The reason why I point to the architect/engineer angle is that it relates directly to the visual evidence which was readily available, as it happened, and full of red flags. The pilot story came out later, as research revealed the history on Hani Hanjour, et al.
Like Covid, there are so many red flags with 9/11. And not seeking to point fingers, it’s worth reflecting on the reality that these ops are at least partially enabled by the silence and obeisance of people who have the knowledge and training to know better.
OMG, the calls from the planes, I totally forgot about that. I think that might have actually been the first red flag for me, but it was an afterthought at best. It was only after I'd randomly attended a Michael Ruppert talk was I "red-pilled" and cell phones were just a small part of the long list of absurdities. Anyone then (and even now) knows full well cell phones don't work on airplanes.
See I think that’s one of the big lessons, one that was evident here with Covid. So much known information does into a doubt spiral because of the crisis brain. So when presented with ridiculousness, even trained people shrug and abandon their rational faculties (if they had them).
I invite you to come and refute the evidence presented in 2007 for the qui-tam whistleblower case against 23 NIST subcontractors for science fraud: https://www.drjudywood.com/wp/court-case-qui-tam/
This whistleblower case was filed BEFORE Richard Gage and his architects for an engineered truth’s website was even online. Another factoid with regards to the RFC (request for correction) filed to NIST by the organisation and then also Steven E. Jones, all champions of the thermite, molten metal theories - NEVER even mentioned their explosive thermite or molten metal in their filings. Why is that? Could it be that they canot prove their theories?
Something else you don’t know is that the initial dust samples studies done by Steven E. Jones wanting to prove thermite in the dust has been DEBUNKED numerous times as a FLAWED study, have a listen to this science debate where the shortcoming of that paper is pointed out in 2010: https://rumble.com/v3zqfm4-911-and-the-thermite-conspiracy-2010.html
After all, thermite is an incendiary and there is a challenge that is over 10 years old for anyone to prove that thermite has the explosive power to do what we saw happen to the towers on 9/11 - Here, you can have a list to an aerospace engineer discuss this challenge in a presentation he gave in May 2024 for Boston 9/11 truth: https://911revision.substack.com/p/thermite-revisited-and-demolished
Now, getting back to the 2007 whistleblower case that was ALSO filed with the US Supreme court in 2009, that had all this evidence condensed into a 500 page educational handbook, that even a 5 year old can understand: https://www.wheredidthetowersgo.com/
If reading a 500 page handbook, that even a 5 year old could understand is too much effort, well then I invite you to listen to this presentation that covers everything that is contained in the whistleblower court case and the 500 page handbook: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWNzq9OWGmY&t=111s
this article is suggested reading is it extensively covers the 9/11 truth suppression timeline going back to 2005, with the forming of the 9/11 Scholars for truth, which most find intriguing as it points out the COINTELPRO agents that infiltrated the forming truth movement over 20 years ago: https://911revision.substack.com/p/911-truth-suppression-timeline
Then in closing, if reading officially filed court cases, a 500 page handbook that is evidence from the ONLY independent forensic study of the observable evidence in the public domain, the presentation discussing said evidence, articles explaining the limited hangout the 9/11 “truther” movement and the talking head celebrities are that are promoting the farcical thermite or nuke theories (that have NEVER been filed in ANY RFC to NIST or has seen the inside of a court room), then sir you are found guilty of premeditated ignorance.
There are 3 issues most people have when faced with the truth regarding the events of 9/11;
1. Problem solving skills
2. Group Think
3. They just can't handle the implications
In the final analysis there is no "grand" deception" or cover up.
There is only BLUFF!
Because everyone can see what happened to the buildings was clearly and PROVABLY NOT a structural failure (collapse) or a conventional controlled demolition by ANY thermal or kinetic mechanism!
You seem to be under the impression that I believe Gage or the thermite story. There is no ‘premeditated ignorance’ here. Your comment is actually bolstering the observations made in my original comment. I leave you to it.
There is more than enough proof for any discerning truth seeker that Richard Gage, the architects for an engineered truth and all the other poo-ba 9/11 truther organisations and the other 9/11 truther talking heads are all to a certain degree, limited hangouts...
The REAL 9/11 "truthers" albeit they do not identify with that term is;
Dr Judy Wood - The only independent forensic investigation done on what happened on 9/11, which she also took to court - None of the bombs, thermite, nuke proponents have.... https://www.drjudywood.com/wp/
It's high time people realise they've been bamboozled by these charlatans in the 9/11 truth movement that was created to steer people away from Dr Wood's evidence.... She does not have a theory, or a hypothesis - She looked at the empirical data and came to a conclusion that what we saw happened on 9/11 is evidence of some sort of COLD DEW, free energy weapon...
If you have not watched, 9/11 Alchemy: Facing Reality, I suggest you give the 2018 documentary a watch, as it summarises Dr Wood, Andrew Johnson, Richard D Hall and Mark Conlon's work over the past 15 years: https://rumble.com/v42pr22-911-alchemy-facing-reality.html
Is the 9/11 "truth" movement a distraction movement?
There are 3 issues most people have when faced with the truth regarding the events of 9/11
1. Problem solving skills
2. Group Think
3. They just can't handle the implications
Sept 11 is a crime that should be solved by a forensic study of the evidence. Before it can be determined who did it, it must first be determined what was done and how it was done.
The order of crime solving is to determine
1) WHAT happened, then
2) HOW it happened (e.g., what weapon), then
3) WHO did it. And only then can we address
4) WHY they did it (i.e. motive).
Let us remember what is required to (legally) convict someone of a crime.
You cannot convict someone of a crime based on belief.
You cannot convict someone of a crime if you don’t even know what crime to charge them with.
If you accuse someone of murder using a gun, you’d better be sure the body has a bullet hole in it. And yet before noon on 9/11/01, we were told who did it, how they did it, and why they did it (they hate us for our freedoms); before any investigation had been conducted to determine what had even been done.
Many people have speculated as to who committed the crimes of 9/11 and/or how they did so. But without addressing what happened, speculation of this kind is nothing more than conspiracy theory, a phrase that also describes the 19 bad guys with box cutters story we were given before noon on 9/11/01.
Dr Wood’s research is not speculation and she’s been the closest to getting to the bottom of the who dunnit.
Dr Wood did a forensics investigation of what happened to the WTC complex on 9/11/01.
She does not address who did it, nor am I concerned with that question right now.
Before issues of that kind can be addressed, we must first determine what happened.
By definition, research that is purely empirical cannot be about and has nothing to do with conspiracy theory of any kind.
The fact that others (in the mainstream media, the alternative media, and the so-called 9/11 truth movement) promote various theories about 9/11 is irrelevant to Dr Wood’s research. On the other hand, to determine what happened, we must address all of the available evidence.
Anyone declaring who did what or how they did it before they have determined what was done is merely promoting either speculation or propaganda.
The popular chant, “9/11 was an inside job,” is, scientifically speaking, no different from the chant that “19 bad guys with box cutters did it.” Neither one is the result of a scientific investigation supported by evidence that would be admissible in court.
Neither identifies what crime was committed or how it was committed.
There are a lot of coincidences with regards to the build-up, on the day and the days after 9/11. There are suspects as to who might have had some sort of involvement in the events of 9/11, but for now it’s all they are. Suspects.
Dr Wood sued 23 NIST subcontractors who were tasked with security and clean up at ground zero. These companies also helped write reports that made up the scientifically flawed, 10 000 NIST report. Two of the main defendants in the case were ARA and SAIC, who specialise in psychological warfare, weather manipulation and directed energy weapons, DEW.
If Dr Wood’s 2009 US Supreme Court Case wasn’t railroaded by the judge, she would have been able to depose these 23 companies and in so doing, would have been closer to determining exactly HOW and then we’d get a lot closer to WHO and WHY.
I’ve read and listened to a lot from Judy Wood. As I noted previously, she did some of the best initial study of the available evidence. But no matter how you slice it, Judy Wood puts forth a hypothesis, and one that is nigh impossible to test. That doesn’t mean it is wrong or right. Going further is speculation.
The meaning of TWENTY-TWENTY HINDSIGHT is the full knowledge and complete understanding that one has about an event only after it has happened. You could not understand it a the time, there was too much going on.
To allege "Architects and Structural Engineers worth their salt should have recognized it immediately because it violated fundamental principles" That must be one of the most ridiculous staments I have ever heard.
Anyone worth their salt wouldn't' make such an asinine statement. My view, no apologies, needs to be said.
Oh please do explain to me what 20/20 hindsight means!
You don’t know what I did or did not understand at the time, or what my level of expertise is, so don’t presume. You know what’s asinine? Your comment. Your view. Based on nothing except presumption.
Reveals, yes. But the Ops are lies, to paint them as not is itself a lie. Not a pawn, and we are sovereign. Too many don’t realize it or their power. That is not a lie.
Wikileaks dropped the Canadian 5th gen warfare manual, namely psychological operations.
Talks a lot about dealing with stopping insurgences by treating it like stopping a contagion, then goes on to basically explain everything that’s been done to us over the pandemic.
Started with questioning my religious beliefs 10 years ago. Now I question everything. But the lies told to me by my govt - started at the beginning of the pandemic. Never going back.
I was literally talking about this on Friday night with some friends. The towers collapsing were because “the floor below can’t take the weight of the floors above falling on it...” explanation was what I got from them. Sounds simple and reasonable until you hear the alternative evidence - which 90% of people haven’t heard. I instantly text them a couple documentaries the next day. They prob won’t watch them. But I’m tired of the lies that we’ve all believed.
Note - these friends DO see through the Covid BS. Not as clearly as I do, but they know something isn’t right about it.
I did realize that was a fake terrorist attack as soon as the tower collapsed. I'm a filmmaker and going through the frames I saw what the video you posted above shows: a controlled demolition without any doubt. And when building 7 collapsed in the afternoon it was the cherry on the cake as we say here in old europe! Then I did download everything was online right after including the radio communication of the famous fake 4th plane that crashed somewhere in a bush without leaving any rest as the one at Pentagon! 😅
Only the fake landing on the Moon in 1969 might seem more real than 9/11 fake terrorist attack!😂
9/11 was the most crystal clear set up by Cia, Mossad at al, and when I saw New York citizens in the streets with the sign "Not in my name" I said "Great so at least New Yorkers are aware that it's an internal job... instead few days after even them with that stupid US flag outside everywhere...
So I agree, since at least 1969 US has been THE CORPORATION of FAKE NEWS, the propaganda machine that never stops, the PSYOP cultural and strategic center.
Covid-19 was the general rehearsal of something even worst than Moon or 9/11, the total world people control. And it worked, most got vaccinated, most blamed against non vaccinated
Again, problem is they know that they have complete control on the majority of idiots brains, that are not ignorant, they prefer not to know.... that it's a big difference and makes them as guilty as the directors of this crimes!
That's why USA is and it has been a real threat to all the rest of the world, sorry to say that, but it's the real sad truth.
I invite you to come and refute the evidence presented in 2007 for the qui-tam whistleblower case against 23 NIST subcontractors for science fraud: https://www.drjudywood.com/wp/court-case-qui-tam/
This whistleblower case was filed BEFORE Richard Gage and his architects for an engineered truth’s website was even online. Another factoid with regards to the RFC (request for correction) filed to NIST by the organisation and then also Steven E. Jones, all champions of the thermite, molten metal theories - NEVER even mentioned their explosive thermite or molten metal in their filings. Why is that? Could it be that they canot prove their theories?
Something else you don’t know is that the initial dust samples studies done by Steven E. Jones wanting to prove thermite in the dust has been DEBUNKED numerous times as a FLAWED study, have a listen to this science debate where the shortcoming of that paper is pointed out in 2010: https://rumble.com/v3zqfm4-911-and-the-thermite-conspiracy-2010.html
After all, thermite is an incendiary and there is a challenge that is over 10 years old for anyone to prove that thermite has the explosive power to do what we saw happen to the towers on 9/11 - Here, you can have a list to an aerospace engineer discuss this challenge in a presentation he gave in May 2024 for Boston 9/11 truth: https://911revision.substack.com/p/thermite-revisited-and-demolished
Now, getting back to the 2007 whistleblower case that was ALSO filed with the US Supreme court in 2009, that had all this evidence condensed into a 500 page educational handbook, that even a 5 year old can understand: https://www.wheredidthetowersgo.com/
If reading a 500 page handbook, that even a 5 year old could understand is too much effort, well then I invite you to listen to this presentation that covers everything that is contained in the whistleblower court case and the 500 page handbook: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWNzq9OWGmY&t=111s
this article is suggested reading is it extensively covers the 9/11 truth suppression timeline going back to 2005, with the forming of the 9/11 Scholars for truth, which most find intriguing as it points out the COINTELPRO agents that infiltrated the forming truth movement over 20 years ago: https://911revision.substack.com/p/911-truth-suppression-timeline
Then in closing, if reading officially filed court cases, a 500 page handbook that is evidence from the ONLY independent forensic study of the observable evidence in the public domain, the presentation discussing said evidence, articles explaining the limited hangout the 9/11 “truther” movement and the talking head celebrities are that are promoting the farcical thermite or nuke theories (that have NEVER been filed in ANY RFC to NIST or has seen the inside of a court room), then sir you are found guilty of premeditated ignorance.
There are 3 issues most people have when faced with the truth regarding the events of 9/11;
1. Problem solving skills
2. Group Think
3. They just can't handle the implications
In the final analysis there is no "grand" deception" or cover up.
There is only BLUFF!
Because everyone can see what happened to the buildings was clearly and PROVABLY NOT a structural failure (collapse) or a conventional controlled demolition by ANY thermal or kinetic mechanism!
Bottom line, math don't lie, is that we are missing literally an order of magnitude in the energy required to pulverize to dust some 200,000 plus tons of glass, steel, and concrete.
The energy available vs the energy required is not even remotely close!
I was thinking pretty much the same thing as I watched the video and listened to the mass of material involved. If what he’s saying is correct regarding pulverization etc. The official explanation seems to be unrealistic. Has anyone done an energy balance?
Such analysis has been done by many professionals, some skeptical of the claims, and it has always held up that the available energy, kinetic, potential, chemical, are far short of what would be required. Something in the range of 6 to 12 times as much energy would be required, vs what was available.
Thanks. A quick eye ball of the WTC 7 document you linked makes me tend to agree it was not a fire that caused the collapse. Not so much their analysis but what the other reports left out.
Also , I didn’t realize the building was asymmetrical, such a perfect collapse of an asymmetrical building by fire and debris in exactly the right places seems unlikely.
Thanks. All I’ve found so far are officIal NIST analysis and some other very comprehensive government document that show very plausible collapse mechanisms. I need to find some articles debunking these official documents.
"Mr. Cheney alleges that the cabal did send out a lot of hidden messages through the years to prepare the population for the truth. Rumsfeld’s speeches have been full of references to “the missile that hit this building (the Pentagon)” and “the flight we shot down over Pennsylvania.”
Larry Silverstein, who helped finance the operation through insurance fraud, has repeatedly discussed “pulling” i.e. demolishing Building 7. George W. Bush himself has discussed watching a live Secret Service feed of the first plane hitting the World Trade Center. And Benjamin Netanyahu has repeatedly celebrated the success of the 9/11 operation."
How about Melvin Lattimore, who purchased explosives for the first WTC bombing, possibly with an expired Government credit card, they didn't substitute fake explosives when they could have, intercepted 5 vans, but one got away and they let it explode, then Melvin is seen with Tim McVeigh the day before the Oklahoma City Murrah Building attack, positive ID, Melvin roomed with two of the 19 hi-jackers, also the 20th hijacker, and even reportedly co-signed Mohammed Attar's lease. Yet the 911 Commission couldn't find him because he was serving time on weapons charges?
See, there is a lot more fricked up than just the data, collapse "theories" which are completely not plausible but manufactured engineering deceptions, impossible flight plan stories, unlikely cell phone calls, multiple hi-jacking "exercises" simultaneously, you tube videos of all the reporters hearing explosions, disappearing engine blocks, the passport (!!!), and on and on.
Make sure you read up on Operation Northwoods as well.
Not sure what they were going to do with the plane load of passengers in that one either. AG Bobbie Kennedy wanted to know as well! Maybe that is why the shot him too!
Quantifying is great, but even that is unnecessary. The visual evidence is sufficient to tell you conventional demolition, even nano-thermite is insufficient to atomize most of this gargantuan structure before it hits the ground.
Looks sus to me but there are some things that I’ve seen like the “volcano shot” I saw a video of the still that I think it came from. The “fire cracker” exploding is actually going up and into the centre the look of the building looks like the dust cloud is being entrained back into the collapsing structure, which is what I’d expect to see. It’s the exact opposite of what was described. This doesn’t mean he’s wrong overall, I love listening to sensible discussion about anything heterodox, it sharpens the mind even if I end up disagreeing. The virus/no virus is a good example, made me look up what a virus is and it’s certainly not what I thought it was. Love learning something new.
I’m not trying to debunk Gage. I’m just saying the nature of the physical evidence shows ridiculous amounts of energy. Not from a fire, not progressive collapse. Anyone can see that pulverizing material like what is observed is *off the scale* in terms of energy required. Cracking concrete is one thing, cutting steel or breaking joints is one thing. Reducing material to powder at this scale….that has never been seen before.
I agree that amount of energy is likely ridiculously large. I was going to do a back of the envelope calculations to get an order of magnitude to satisfy myself that I’m not talking out my ass, but I keep getting distracted by Sage’s substack. 😀
It’s a fairly involved analysis. You’d have to get a basic understanding of the structural system and components (steel beams, columns, girders, truss joists, corrugated metal deck, concrete fill plus reinforcing, as well as all of the precast cladding. Then there’s all of the glass and aluminum and gypsum, and fireproofing. Then there’s all the building systems: plumbing pipes, mechanical systems, elevators, stairs. It’s quite a laundry list just to account for mass and material types, each of which is going to have a different factor to pulverize. Better have a big envelope! Yes, SH’s stack is awesome.
Yep. That’s why I’d rather enjoy myself on SH stack. I wasn’t going to go into that much detail there are estimates for the main bulk of the building online and I just wanted a rough estimate.
Just found this that’s thrown a spanner in the works as a source of energy I hadn’t considered.
Can you elaborate.?I am not an expert on the full range of personalities or anything subtle like their best/worst arguments at the micro-detail level. As I mentioned: I did not have the time to follow the full set of details at the time.
Matthew, Judy Woods does a better review of the forensic evidence. Not a complete list, but she probed seismic data, property damage surrounding the buildings, and most importantly the nature of the pulverized dust that much of the building structural mass was reduced to. Nano-thermite and conventional means of demolition aren’t sufficient to account for the observed phenomena.
She explores specifically, a hypothesis, one that proposes the possible use of directed energy devices which may serve as an explanation.
In the end, it is only a hypothesis. Until such time that time travel becomes a reality, it will remain there. It’s a useful exploration and her analysis of the evidence is well taken.
The takeaway, whether based on the explorations of Gage or Woods et al, is the same: the official narrative is bullshit.
I agree. Flying 2 x Boeing 767s into the buildings sounds like a pretty highly powered directed energy (kinetic & chemical) weapon if you ask me. Some acoustic crowd control weapon or what not would be pretty insignificant by comparison, 😀
I’m not experienced enough to know. The only airplane I’ve ever had the pleasure to control is a friends Piper Cherokee which is hardly comparable. Landing safely in the Hudson River would probably be more difficult.
How about flying 2 x B-767 into three buildings? As for impact and consequences, you might want to check out how structural integrity of the Empire State Bldg fared vis-a-vis a B-25 in 1945.
I would imagine wind loading (small slightly dynamic force over a large area) and being hit by a plane (large dynamic force over a small area) would have substantially different structural implications. Not saying you don’t have a point, I haven’t done the math, don’t know the facade design in question, but my guess is the energy transfer over time (power) would be substantial.
Fabulous replies on this thread guys! Well done all :)
The issue at hand on 9/11 is a Materials-Science one; if you challenge Mr Gage on anything, he does not have the capacity to address the inconsistencies in the data or his own argument.
We have all wondered if he is himself under duress.
What is your impression, Matthew, of the New York streets lined with baked cars, lined with intact trees and fallen office paper?
I can't go deep on this topic, yet. Maybe one day I'll be able to put in the time that I have as with the pandemic. But I'd hate to prejudice myself too much on such facts that I've barely just learned about.
Judy Wood has a much better explanation. It is better also because I can accept more easily that there was also some experimentation on new technology involved, with more than one application at the same time (try out the weapon, plus try out influencing a storm/weather system), rather than just blowing up some buildings to save on the solution of a costly asbestos problem. The former scenario puts 9/11 more in the category of Hiroshima, trying out new technology with the added bonus of achieving a political/war goal (here, be able to go into Afghanistan - which from the first moment i found completely unwarranted by "molten steel structures giving in"). Just staging a terror attack, at that scale, with that amount of effort, would just not have made enough sense, imho, would not have been a worthy enough project to gain the respect, complicity of so many as must have been involved. The patriotic testing of new defense tech and humankind's big next step in dominating the destructive force of weather phenomena, maybe could garner more respect and quell scruples. Just remember how proud we were of having deflected the meteorite quite recently.
There is her old and new websites and she has published a book, "Where did the towers go". She also had filed a lawsuit, because as she said, what evidently happened was pulverization of the towers not storey by storey collapse.
It's about directed energy fields and a technology that, she says, is also used for "Active denial" riot control. You just have to take a look at her face, she is a highly qualified materials specialist and she looks like a person who would normally not be indulging in conspiracy theories if she can help it. What I find extremely telling, is that there is NO Wikipedia entry on her. Probably because potentially a classified weapon was involved. Otherwise wouldn't it have been a feast for Wikipedia to debunk and ridicule her? She stresses that she is not proposing any theory on who made it happen, she just describes what evidently happened and proposes working hypotheses about what known phenomena resemble that and how it might have been brought about. In small details, you catch her spinning her material according to her wishes. Really only one - a photo where she claims that the dust blacked out the sun.Yes it is hazy and dusty, but that photo has a building wall covered in sunlight so you can know from that, that the darkness is just because the sun was mostly blocked out by the highrise buildings as it was morning, not noon. But apart from that, much food for thought and for me, this makes the whole thing better understandable, somehow less frivolous, just as it comforts me to have understood that the present goings-on, from Extinction Rebellion to the unhealthy shots, to new euthanasia legislations, are supported by a centuries-old uninterrupted ongoing eugenics discourse which at least reads logical. It makes things more understandable.
I'm with you on this one, buddhi. I think we would see signs of such tech elsewhere, including bunker busting, if it existed. Directed energy waves are just starting to be employed to break up kidney stones.
Yes true... On the other hand, also other phenomena, like the results of gene splicing and of mRNA gene therapy, might have sounded like alien tech, until it was explained how it works. And I think there are a lot of the newer weapons that work in ways that we would not easily understand or believe, and trying such tech out at scale is maybe difficult in peace times... So for trying them out one needs a plausible cover scenario... But then, one thing is undisputable I think - that no matter how it came about: what we saw happening with the WTC complex on that day, WAS happening and DID happen under its own hard-to-believability...
I invite you to come and refute the evidence presented in 2007 for the qui-tam whistleblower case against 23 NIST subcontractors for science fraud: https://www.drjudywood.com/wp/court-case-qui-tam/
This whistleblower case was filed BEFORE Richard Gage and his architects for an engineered truth’s website was even online. Another factoid with regards to the RFC (request for correction) filed to NIST by the organisation and then also Steven E. Jones, all champions of the thermite, molten metal theories - NEVER even mentioned their explosive thermite or molten metal in their filings. Why is that? Could it be that they canot prove their theories?
Something else you don’t know is that the initial dust samples studies done by Steven E. Jones wanting to prove thermite in the dust has been DEBUNKED numerous times as a FLAWED study, have a listen to this science debate where the shortcoming of that paper is pointed out in 2010: https://rumble.com/v3zqfm4-911-and-the-thermite-conspiracy-2010.html
After all, thermite is an incendiary and there is a challenge that is over 10 years old for anyone to prove that thermite has the explosive power to do what we saw happen to the towers on 9/11 - Here, you can have a list to an aerospace engineer discuss this challenge in a presentation he gave in May 2024 for Boston 9/11 truth: https://911revision.substack.com/p/thermite-revisited-and-demolished
Now, getting back to the 2007 whistleblower case that was ALSO filed with the US Supreme court in 2009, that had all this evidence condensed into a 500 page educational handbook, that even a 5 year old can understand: https://www.wheredidthetowersgo.com/
If reading a 500 page handbook, that even a 5 year old could understand is too much effort, well then I invite you to listen to this presentation that covers everything that is contained in the whistleblower court case and the 500 page handbook: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWNzq9OWGmY&t=111s
this article is suggested reading is it extensively covers the 9/11 truth suppression timeline going back to 2005, with the forming of the 9/11 Scholars for truth, which most find intriguing as it points out the COINTELPRO agents that infiltrated the forming truth movement over 20 years ago: https://911revision.substack.com/p/911-truth-suppression-timeline
Then in closing, if reading officially filed court cases, a 500 page handbook that is evidence from the ONLY independent forensic study of the observable evidence in the public domain, the presentation discussing said evidence, articles explaining the limited hangout the 9/11 “truther” movement and the talking head celebrities are that are promoting the farcical thermite or nuke theories (that have NEVER been filed in ANY RFC to NIST or has seen the inside of a court room), then sir you are found guilty of premeditated ignorance.
There are 3 issues most people have when faced with the truth regarding the events of 9/11;
1. Problem solving skills
2. Group Think
3. They just can't handle the implications
In the final analysis there is no "grand" deception" or cover up.
There is only BLUFF!
Because everyone can see what happened to the buildings was clearly and PROVABLY NOT a structural failure (collapse) or a conventional controlled demolition by ANY thermal or kinetic mechanism!
I invite you to come and refute the evidence presented in 2007 for the qui-tam whistleblower case against 23 NIST subcontractors for science fraud: https://www.drjudywood.com/wp/court-case-qui-tam/
This whistleblower case was filed BEFORE Richard Gage and his architects for an engineered truth’s website was even online. Another factoid with regards to the RFC (request for correction) filed to NIST by the organisation and then also Steven E. Jones, all champions of the thermite, molten metal theories - NEVER even mentioned their explosive thermite or molten metal in their filings. Why is that? Could it be that they canot prove their theories?
Something else you don’t know is that the initial dust samples studies done by Steven E. Jones wanting to prove thermite in the dust has been DEBUNKED numerous times as a FLAWED study, have a listen to this science debate where the shortcoming of that paper is pointed out in 2010: https://rumble.com/v3zqfm4-911-and-the-thermite-conspiracy-2010.html
After all, thermite is an incendiary and there is a challenge that is over 10 years old for anyone to prove that thermite has the explosive power to do what we saw happen to the towers on 9/11 - Here, you can have a list to an aerospace engineer discuss this challenge in a presentation he gave in May 2024 for Boston 9/11 truth: https://911revision.substack.com/p/thermite-revisited-and-demolished
Now, getting back to the 2007 whistleblower case that was ALSO filed with the US Supreme court in 2009, that had all this evidence condensed into a 500 page educational handbook, that even a 5 year old can understand: https://www.wheredidthetowersgo.com/
If reading a 500 page handbook, that even a 5 year old could understand is too much effort, well then I invite you to listen to this presentation that covers everything that is contained in the whistleblower court case and the 500 page handbook: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWNzq9OWGmY&t=111s
this article is suggested reading is it extensively covers the 9/11 truth suppression timeline going back to 2005, with the forming of the 9/11 Scholars for truth, which most find intriguing as it points out the COINTELPRO agents that infiltrated the forming truth movement over 20 years ago: https://911revision.substack.com/p/911-truth-suppression-timeline
Then in closing, if reading officially filed court cases, a 500 page handbook that is evidence from the ONLY independent forensic study of the observable evidence in the public domain, the presentation discussing said evidence, articles explaining the limited hangout the 9/11 “truther” movement and the talking head celebrities are that are promoting the farcical thermite or nuke theories (that have NEVER been filed in ANY RFC to NIST or has seen the inside of a court room), then sir you are found guilty of premeditated ignorance.
There are 3 issues most people have when faced with the truth regarding the events of 9/11;
1. Problem solving skills
2. Group Think
3. They just can't handle the implications
In the final analysis there is no "grand" deception" or cover up.
There is only BLUFF!
Because everyone can see what happened to the buildings was clearly and PROVABLY NOT a structural failure (collapse) or a conventional controlled demolition by ANY thermal or kinetic mechanism!
I've long been puzzled by the testimony of (I think) a security guard or other building employee that said there would be weekends in which there were notices posted that power would be out for the building. And they heard VERY heavy bins being rolled around between floors. There are detonation methods by which very hot and fast burning cord is wrapped diagonally on beams, so that it slices through the metal VERY fast, and the weight of the structure causes it to slide sideways and downwards. Imagine a cube with 1,000 pounds on it, sliced with a diagonal slash from one corner to the diagonally opposite corners, resulting in two triangles sliding on each other and having no structural strength for the 1,000 pounds to rest upon.
There was certainly motive for demolishing the building for a number of reasons.
- Stop financial losses for the owner
- Utlizing a sudden insurance change that benefitted the owner
- Destruction of evidence for various government crimes (wasn't $2 billion mentioned the day before as having been missing from the budget? And those records happened to have been stored there? Along with evidence related to the Murrah building bombing supposedly done by Timothy McVeigh, but reflecting outward destruction from within the building.)
- initiate an amazingly quick "writing" of the Patriot Act, which kickstarted a war on Iraq, and and other countries on the basis of "terror"? And also the surveillance on americans and a curtailment of freedoms?
There were LOTS of motives for doing something like this. It just had to be plausibly presented to the public.
And nobody wonders why evidence wasn't allowed to be gathered, and the remains of the buildings were shipped off to China without any ability to study the metal, as it was kept under armed protection.
Yah. nothing to see here... move along. move along. (vigorously demonstrating the jedi wave)
Here and there, the points you make are still propaganda talking points that were put out to stifle some rather uncomfortable questions people were asking on September 12th... As truth seekers we need to investigate all talking points and weigh them up in relation to the evidence and not personalities of people or what we've been told about people. Covid should have taught people this valuable lesson.
Too many "truth" seekers fall victim of premeditated ignorance, when discounting a point if view because someone else told you not to look into it.
I highly recommend you listen to this presentation of 9/11 evidence.
One central issue with 9-11 was the emotional impact. This kept all sorts of people away from any rational questions for a long time. Doubting the narrative made a person feel as if he were supporting the enemy.
The parallels have been apparent to me for many months, perhaps because this time I didn’t want to be fooled again. And by the time of 9-11 I had already discovered the corruption of Pharma & had ceased speaking for any company. In the early 2000s I was also seeing far more aggressive behavior from drug reps. Someone decided they might have better results by pushy if not intimidating attitudes & behaviors.
Some believe there is 'more' to Mr Gage and his organization than meets the eye.
Andrew Johnson, who has done a remarkable amount of work on the 911 versions, is one. You can download his free ebook '911 Finding the Truth' from this page where he also discusses Mr. Gage.
And investigative journalist Rosemary Frei, who was initially advised to ignore Dr. Wood's theories, dug deeper in 2021 and did a number of articles and interviews that are a great place to start.
There are similar parallels to “plane hits big old steel building, building collapses, sounds about right” in other ops, but such a conclusion is ridiculous, even if your expertise is in low-rise structures or concrete structures. This isn’t about high-rises or steel. There were violations of basic physics and structural principles. Even a well-founded structural intuition would tell you that what happened is not what should be observed.
This shouldn’t take curiosity. It was blatant and outrageous. Just like the proposition that an experimental jab can and should be made mandatory.
The honest truth is that a huge number of architects have terrible structural intuition. They often lack basic expertise, which they really shouldn’t. Just as many doctors have a very dim understanding of many aspects of human physiology (esp nutrition, exercise physiology, immunology, and biological processes). They’re supposed to be “experts”, but they too often are nothing of the kind.
But this isn’t about just incompetence or ignorance.
This is in many ways about people who should know better, accepting the work of others with ‘perceived authority’ at face value, even when that ‘work’ flies in the face of basic rational thought. Some of that is the influence of propaganda, but some of it is a kind of laziness. Some of it is ‘going along to get along’ or keeping your head down.
What is the price of this laziness and obeisance to ‘authority’?
The fallout from 9/11 and Covid speaks for itself.
Totally agree, but realistically most guys and girls just “build to code” or “treat to protocol” many are probably not even interested in their field or may even hate their job. it’s just a pay cheque to pay the bills, do the minimum get paid, don’t rock the boat.
Being a curious expert is not good for your career. You’ll be more likely be seen as a trouble maker.
Possibly he saw or heard one thing that was so improbable it set of his bullshit detector so he kept looking.
That’s what it was for me and the COVID narrative. I was doing some modeling of the pandemic for shits and giggles and my model worked a treat but I had to keep revising down the vaccine effectiveness and had to eventually put in negative numbers. Thought my model was broken and had a look at some “professional ” models and they were worse than mine. They weren’t just shit and simplistic they were deceptive and looked to be reverse engineered to fit the narrative, these guys are too smart to have simply “just made a mistake.” Found Norman Fenton’s blog and down the rabbit I went.
See, the WTC collapse is a different matter because no mathematics or models are necessary to see the fundamental tells. The video from the day-of shows it on the most fundamental level. That’s visual and was seen by everyone almost in real time—there probably wasn’t a single person that didn’t see the video within 24hrs of the event.
Even Gage uses the video footage to debunk the narrative. Why didn’t professionals see it, or having seen it, why didn’t it ring an alarm bell for them right away?
Not sure of the exact date, it was during the time when I was bored during the lock-down here in Sydney. Probably around the beginning of September was when I became very suspicious. By 9/9/21 I was "all most certain" the narrative was mostly B.S. The Omicron "game changer" timing was not a surprise to me as vaccine effectiveness had already fallen off a cliff according to my model. I laughed and thought "well played my reptilian overlords", awesome cover story for a failed vaccine.
As others have said, Dr. Judy Wood's analysis is brilliant. She simply presents the evidence of what happened on 9/11, and her conclusion is radically different than the official narrative. Her book is "Where Did The Towers Go?" and unfortunately, most people have never heard of it.
I have a hard time believing the directed energy weapon convo without evidence such tech would be used on obvious problems like bunker busting. A nation with such a weapon could rule the world simply with the threat of taking out critical infrastructure. Goodbye Three Gorges Dam, for instance.
I have been following 911 from the moment it happened, and have never heard of Dr Woods, or any suspicion of DEWs. This sounds like a fantastic leap of fantasy, when there are such clear links to sabotage by the "ABC Elevator Company" and plenty of thermite residue. Any aerial photos would show vehicles buried in asbestos dust, not burnt. The clear fact that the Port Authority had been losing $10M in rents every year as businesses moved away from the towers and on to the internet, and the well documented asbestos remediation problem add up to a clear case for Silverstein to buy and destroy.
I invite you to come and refute the evidence presented in 2007 for the qui-tam whistleblower case against 23 NIST subcontractors for science fraud: https://www.drjudywood.com/wp/court-case-qui-tam/
This whistleblower case was filed BEFORE Richard Gage and his architects for an engineered truth’s website was even online. Another factoid with regards to the RFC (request for correction) filed to NIST by the organisation and then also Steven E. Jones, all champions of the thermite, molten metal theories - NEVER even mentioned their explosive thermite or molten metal in their filings. Why is that? Could it be that they canot prove their theories?
Something else you don’t know is that the initial dust samples studies done by Steven E. Jones wanting to prove thermite in the dust has been DEBUNKED numerous times as a FLAWED study, have a listen to this science debate where the shortcoming of that paper is pointed out in 2010: https://rumble.com/v3zqfm4-911-and-the-thermite-conspiracy-2010.html
After all, thermite is an incendiary and there is a challenge that is over 10 years old for anyone to prove that thermite has the explosive power to do what we saw happen to the towers on 9/11 - Here, you can have a list to an aerospace engineer discuss this challenge in a presentation he gave in May 2024 for Boston 9/11 truth: https://911revision.substack.com/p/thermite-revisited-and-demolished
Now, getting back to the 2007 whistleblower case that was ALSO filed with the US Supreme court in 2009, that had all this evidence condensed into a 500 page educational handbook, that even a 5 year old can understand: https://www.wheredidthetowersgo.com/
If reading a 500 page handbook, that even a 5 year old could understand is too much effort, well then I invite you to listen to this presentation that covers everything that is contained in the whistleblower court case and the 500 page handbook: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWNzq9OWGmY&t=111s
this article is suggested reading is it extensively covers the 9/11 truth suppression timeline going back to 2005, with the forming of the 9/11 Scholars for truth, which most find intriguing as it points out the COINTELPRO agents that infiltrated the forming truth movement over 20 years ago: https://911revision.substack.com/p/911-truth-suppression-timeline
Then in closing, if reading officially filed court cases, a 500 page handbook that is evidence from the ONLY independent forensic study of the observable evidence in the public domain, the presentation discussing said evidence, articles explaining the limited hangout the 9/11 “truther” movement and the talking head celebrities are that are promoting the farcical thermite or nuke theories (that have NEVER been filed in ANY RFC to NIST or has seen the inside of a court room), then sir you are found guilty of premeditated ignorance.
There are 3 issues most people have when faced with the truth regarding the events of 9/11;
1. Problem solving skills
2. Group Think
3. They just can't handle the implications
In the final analysis there is no "grand" deception" or cover up.
There is only BLUFF!
Because everyone can see what happened to the buildings was clearly and PROVABLY NOT a structural failure (collapse) or a conventional controlled demolition by ANY thermal or kinetic mechanism!
Thank you for this, Matthew! Looking forward to watching your conversation!
When you cite "Loose Change" first, I fear you have not been exposed to Laurent Guyénot's case that Loose Change, and the "(American) Inside Job" hypothesis looks to have been part of the operation, planned in advance as by the perpetrators to distract skeptics from looking at the most likely suspects. The video: https://odysee.com/@ERTV-International-English:f/9-11-and-Israel-s-great-game-Laurent-Guyenot:5
We had a similar event in Spain 03.11.2004. Official version = Total Bullshit. Muslim terrorist were also blamed. Similar to the passport story in NYC, some clues were found in weird locations.
Thinking about it I have developed 4 different possibilities for events like these:
1. The people that are supposed to investigate the events (Governments) are behind the events. I would say this is the case in JFK assassination.
2. Government finds the responsible but it is very inconvenient for its interests. Could be other countries Secret Service, why not the UN, even terrorists... They blame others to avoid "issues".
3. Government is not behind the event but they blame whoever works better for their plans. Perhaps they don't even investigate. Or the investigation is kept secret. Could have been terrorists or not. 2 and 3 are similar and, to me, and before watching the videos, 9/11 sounds something like this.
4. Government must find a culprit because otherwise they look stupid so they "find" one. The one that sounds more likely or whatever. This has happened in "minor" events, for example Maddeleine McCann or Amanda Knox. If they have to pick a responsible, they will choose the one that is better for their interests.
It is disappointing that it took Gage until 2006 to see what happened. Architects and Structural Engineers worth their salt should have recognized it immediately because it violated fundamental principles. That said, it is good that he did awaken, and even better that he dedicated himself to digging for and exposing a part of the truth.
As explorations into this topic have developed in the 20+ yrs since the incident, there have been many worthwhile explorations into the ‘how’ question and the ‘why’ question. It’s good to pursue these avenues of thinking, no doubt. However, there is a point where one reaches the end of analyzing the evidence available, and we delve into hypotheses and suppositions. And this can naturally evolve into questions about motivations and ‘who is more right’, etc. Comparing hypotheses is fine and useful, but I would offer that when thinking moves into Camps, subscribing to one hypothesis over another, then we my lose sight of the fundamental observation.
In the case of the WTC, Judy Wood’s exploration raises extremely important questions and concerns, and as regards her examination of the forensic evidence, she is very thorough--more thorough than Richard Gage et. al. There is a point, however, where she moves explicitly into the realm of proposing a hypothesis, some of which fits the observable evidence, and some of which is just a searching for a plausible explanation. That isn’t to say her hypothesis is untenable, but it is also unprovable and untestable (unless someone invents a time machine).
The fundamental observation is that the official narrative is an elaborate lie. The government lied to everyone. They lied and used this lie to justify dismantling the Constitution and attacked our rights to privacy and liberty. The media joined in this lie, amplifying its reach. Scientists supported the lie and produced bogus science and papers to support it. The military acted on this lie, draining the coffers and filling coffins. The weapons contractors profited tremendously, raining cruise missiles on a nation already severely decimated by economic sanctions that had killed millions of children. The judiciary pretended that the right to trial didn’t matter, turned a blind eye to torture and extrajudicial execution. Nearly every pillar of society was affected, damaged severely.
All predicated on an elaborate lie.
The ‘how’ and ‘why’ the towers fell may never be fully unveiled. But the outcomes are known. The tragedy that has unfolded is known.
There is a point where asking ‘how’ and ‘why’ is academic. That is the exploration of theory. I would offer that focus is better spent on the reality of what that event means for us now. What matters is that people understand how deep the deception runs; people that may not have understood the reality of that fateful day, and how far the ripples of that great lie have reached, and how those seemingly unrelated ripples are cast out across the very same pond, Now.
In truth, the great lie of Covid is the descendent of the great lie of 9/11.
Don't be disappointed that busy people didn't focus their attention on everything you wanted them to and feel is important. People are busy building the world and raising their kids. Richard saw a glitch in the Matrix, then explored.
I feel like I can name dozens of events that people should recognize as a glitch, but few people do.
Just as a teaser: Why in the hell do people think that the Western leadership had enough information to conclude Hitler died at the bunker? Because Nazi radio said so? Because Russian troops who cleaned up two bones and a pile of ashes had a feeling?
He saw the glitch. He investigated.
Let's focus on that, and learn from it, and use what we learned to see how many people who can help guide past their brainwashing.
I hear you. This was, however, *much more* than a “glitch” in the matrix. For architects and structural engineers, this was like level one altered reality. There should have been huge blaring alarm bells going off immediately.
The general public being deceived is one thing. Professionals, quite another. This is another aspect of 9/11 so close to Covid.
Some questions asking how people get deceived in their own areas of expertise:
- Why do experienced statisticians get duped by shoddy statistics or deceptive data presentation?
- Why do experienced medical doctors get duped by pharma or the cdc/fda?
- Why do experienced scientists fail to sometimes ask critical basic questions?
How is it that a guy as sharp as John Ioannidis can look at the Bangladesh mask study and not speak to the truth—that the study is deeply flawed, misrepresented by the media, even fraudulent?
Like I said, I’m glad Richard Gage eventually woke up. But 5 yrs is a long time. I hope that kind of time does not have to pass before people wake up from recent deceptions and the ones that are incoming.
This isn’t meant as any kind of shaming of anyone, but a question: How is it that people are duped by lies that violate basic principles, in their own area of expertise?
All this gets to some of my point about Specialization being "anti-education" and part of the brainwashing process. Those who get deposited in some corner of the specialist maze lose their generalist abilities to more immediately apply nuance to complex situations. They grasp onto what they can until they see the glitch in the Matrix.
He is commendable for stepping forward and providing some leadership.
Absolutely. I have no reservations about commending his work, and to be clear, none of this is an attack on him or his organization.
But architects are supposed to be generalists!
I think this is closer to some of your discussions on math education, actually. Learning the basic principles being far more valuable and provident than doing mindless algorithmic iterations.
Your comment recalls one of my favorite 'quotes': “Areté implies a respect for the wholeness or oneness of life, and a consequent dislike of specialization. It implies a contempt for efficiency – or rather a much higher idea of efficiency, an efficiency which exists not in one department of life but in life itself.” ~ H. D. F. Kitto, The Greeks
I think it’s because they’re specialists in some other part of the field, busy and not curious. If your a structural engineer or architect working on mostly low rise or concrete rather than high rise steel you’d just think “plane hits big old steel building, building collapses, sounds about right.” If your slightly curious you read the general news in your journal and maybe some specialist peer reviewed papers if your really interested. Experts in your field look like they’ve got it sorted. Back to work on your own projects designing condos. Thinking about 9/11 isn’t going to feed the kids.
I do agree with your assertion that architects and structural engineers should have recognized much sooner there was something amiss in the towers falling. But perhaps an even better example would be from pilots, who would have to know the likelihood of 2 planes hitting these building by guys that had never flown anything but a simulator, and done so so poorly they failed flight school. And if that wasn't enough, the maneuver performed by the plane that "hit" the pentagon has been described as nearly impossible. In this case, the lack of wreckage and the impact hole left behind from this "incident" makes it immediately impossible to believe the official account here. And yet 21 years later it as accepted as the magic bullet in Dallas in 1963.
Yes, there were many starting points. All kinds of expertise that could be brought to critique the obvious holes in the narrative, of which there are many. Pilots are a great example, as are cellular communications techies (calls from planes). The reason why I point to the architect/engineer angle is that it relates directly to the visual evidence which was readily available, as it happened, and full of red flags. The pilot story came out later, as research revealed the history on Hani Hanjour, et al.
Like Covid, there are so many red flags with 9/11. And not seeking to point fingers, it’s worth reflecting on the reality that these ops are at least partially enabled by the silence and obeisance of people who have the knowledge and training to know better.
OMG, the calls from the planes, I totally forgot about that. I think that might have actually been the first red flag for me, but it was an afterthought at best. It was only after I'd randomly attended a Michael Ruppert talk was I "red-pilled" and cell phones were just a small part of the long list of absurdities. Anyone then (and even now) knows full well cell phones don't work on airplanes.
See I think that’s one of the big lessons, one that was evident here with Covid. So much known information does into a doubt spiral because of the crisis brain. So when presented with ridiculousness, even trained people shrug and abandon their rational faculties (if they had them).
Yes the Lie of 9/11 has spawned a child and it is the Covid Scamdemic.
I invite you to come and refute the evidence presented in 2007 for the qui-tam whistleblower case against 23 NIST subcontractors for science fraud: https://www.drjudywood.com/wp/court-case-qui-tam/
This whistleblower case was filed BEFORE Richard Gage and his architects for an engineered truth’s website was even online. Another factoid with regards to the RFC (request for correction) filed to NIST by the organisation and then also Steven E. Jones, all champions of the thermite, molten metal theories - NEVER even mentioned their explosive thermite or molten metal in their filings. Why is that? Could it be that they canot prove their theories?
Something else you don’t know is that the initial dust samples studies done by Steven E. Jones wanting to prove thermite in the dust has been DEBUNKED numerous times as a FLAWED study, have a listen to this science debate where the shortcoming of that paper is pointed out in 2010: https://rumble.com/v3zqfm4-911-and-the-thermite-conspiracy-2010.html
After all, thermite is an incendiary and there is a challenge that is over 10 years old for anyone to prove that thermite has the explosive power to do what we saw happen to the towers on 9/11 - Here, you can have a list to an aerospace engineer discuss this challenge in a presentation he gave in May 2024 for Boston 9/11 truth: https://911revision.substack.com/p/thermite-revisited-and-demolished
You can download the Refutation of Richard Gage’s Game in 2008 AND 2023: https://truthsummit.info/media-files/DrJudyWood-refutation-RichardGage-claims.pdf
Now, getting back to the 2007 whistleblower case that was ALSO filed with the US Supreme court in 2009, that had all this evidence condensed into a 500 page educational handbook, that even a 5 year old can understand: https://www.wheredidthetowersgo.com/
I suggest you read it…
You then find that it is a conclusive body of evidence, NOT a theory or hypothesis and this video will teach you the difference: https://rumble.com/v4f6oz2-911-a-conclusive-body-of-evidence-vs-a-belief-or-a-theory-hypothesis.html
If reading a 500 page handbook, that even a 5 year old could understand is too much effort, well then I invite you to listen to this presentation that covers everything that is contained in the whistleblower court case and the 500 page handbook: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWNzq9OWGmY&t=111s
this article is suggested reading is it extensively covers the 9/11 truth suppression timeline going back to 2005, with the forming of the 9/11 Scholars for truth, which most find intriguing as it points out the COINTELPRO agents that infiltrated the forming truth movement over 20 years ago: https://911revision.substack.com/p/911-truth-suppression-timeline
Then in closing, if reading officially filed court cases, a 500 page handbook that is evidence from the ONLY independent forensic study of the observable evidence in the public domain, the presentation discussing said evidence, articles explaining the limited hangout the 9/11 “truther” movement and the talking head celebrities are that are promoting the farcical thermite or nuke theories (that have NEVER been filed in ANY RFC to NIST or has seen the inside of a court room), then sir you are found guilty of premeditated ignorance.
There are 3 issues most people have when faced with the truth regarding the events of 9/11;
1. Problem solving skills
2. Group Think
3. They just can't handle the implications
In the final analysis there is no "grand" deception" or cover up.
There is only BLUFF!
Because everyone can see what happened to the buildings was clearly and PROVABLY NOT a structural failure (collapse) or a conventional controlled demolition by ANY thermal or kinetic mechanism!
Official narrative – Jet fuel.
Option behind door no 1 – explosives,
door no 2 – thermite,
door no 3 – buried or mini nukes.
Just don’t look at where the EVIDENCE points to.
You seem to be under the impression that I believe Gage or the thermite story. There is no ‘premeditated ignorance’ here. Your comment is actually bolstering the observations made in my original comment. I leave you to it.
There is more than enough proof for any discerning truth seeker that Richard Gage, the architects for an engineered truth and all the other poo-ba 9/11 truther organisations and the other 9/11 truther talking heads are all to a certain degree, limited hangouts...
The REAL 9/11 "truthers" albeit they do not identify with that term is;
Dr Judy Wood - The only independent forensic investigation done on what happened on 9/11, which she also took to court - None of the bombs, thermite, nuke proponents have.... https://www.drjudywood.com/wp/
Andrew Johnson, author of the two books:
1. 9/11 Finding the Truth - http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/pdf/9-11%20-%20Finding%20the%20Truth.pdf
2. 9/11 Holding the Truth - http://checktheevidencecom.ipage.com/checktheevidence.com/pdf/911%20Holding%20The%20Truth%20-Andrew%20Johnson%20-%202017.pdf
Richard D Hall - RichPlanet and his 3D analysis of Flight 175 and more: https://www.richplanet.net/richp_genre_menu.php?gen=3
Mark Conlon - 9/11 Planes Research - https://911planesresearch.substack.com/
It's high time people realise they've been bamboozled by these charlatans in the 9/11 truth movement that was created to steer people away from Dr Wood's evidence.... She does not have a theory, or a hypothesis - She looked at the empirical data and came to a conclusion that what we saw happened on 9/11 is evidence of some sort of COLD DEW, free energy weapon...
If you have not watched, 9/11 Alchemy: Facing Reality, I suggest you give the 2018 documentary a watch, as it summarises Dr Wood, Andrew Johnson, Richard D Hall and Mark Conlon's work over the past 15 years: https://rumble.com/v42pr22-911-alchemy-facing-reality.html
Is the 9/11 "truth" movement a distraction movement?
What happens if you ask TRUTH questions?
Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/questions-for-the-911-truther-talking
9/11 Truth Suppression Timeline
"The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves." - Vladimir Lenin
Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/911-truth-suppression-timeline
There are 3 issues most people have when faced with the truth regarding the events of 9/11
1. Problem solving skills
2. Group Think
3. They just can't handle the implications
Sept 11 is a crime that should be solved by a forensic study of the evidence. Before it can be determined who did it, it must first be determined what was done and how it was done.
The order of crime solving is to determine
1) WHAT happened, then
2) HOW it happened (e.g., what weapon), then
3) WHO did it. And only then can we address
4) WHY they did it (i.e. motive).
Let us remember what is required to (legally) convict someone of a crime.
You cannot convict someone of a crime based on belief.
You cannot convict someone of a crime if you don’t even know what crime to charge them with.
If you accuse someone of murder using a gun, you’d better be sure the body has a bullet hole in it. And yet before noon on 9/11/01, we were told who did it, how they did it, and why they did it (they hate us for our freedoms); before any investigation had been conducted to determine what had even been done.
Many people have speculated as to who committed the crimes of 9/11 and/or how they did so. But without addressing what happened, speculation of this kind is nothing more than conspiracy theory, a phrase that also describes the 19 bad guys with box cutters story we were given before noon on 9/11/01.
Dr Wood’s research is not speculation and she’s been the closest to getting to the bottom of the who dunnit.
Dr Wood did a forensics investigation of what happened to the WTC complex on 9/11/01.
She does not address who did it, nor am I concerned with that question right now.
Before issues of that kind can be addressed, we must first determine what happened.
By definition, research that is purely empirical cannot be about and has nothing to do with conspiracy theory of any kind.
The fact that others (in the mainstream media, the alternative media, and the so-called 9/11 truth movement) promote various theories about 9/11 is irrelevant to Dr Wood’s research. On the other hand, to determine what happened, we must address all of the available evidence.
Anyone declaring who did what or how they did it before they have determined what was done is merely promoting either speculation or propaganda.
The popular chant, “9/11 was an inside job,” is, scientifically speaking, no different from the chant that “19 bad guys with box cutters did it.” Neither one is the result of a scientific investigation supported by evidence that would be admissible in court.
Neither identifies what crime was committed or how it was committed.
There are a lot of coincidences with regards to the build-up, on the day and the days after 9/11. There are suspects as to who might have had some sort of involvement in the events of 9/11, but for now it’s all they are. Suspects.
Dr Wood sued 23 NIST subcontractors who were tasked with security and clean up at ground zero. These companies also helped write reports that made up the scientifically flawed, 10 000 NIST report. Two of the main defendants in the case were ARA and SAIC, who specialise in psychological warfare, weather manipulation and directed energy weapons, DEW.
If Dr Wood’s 2009 US Supreme Court Case wasn’t railroaded by the judge, she would have been able to depose these 23 companies and in so doing, would have been closer to determining exactly HOW and then we’d get a lot closer to WHO and WHY.
I’ve read and listened to a lot from Judy Wood. As I noted previously, she did some of the best initial study of the available evidence. But no matter how you slice it, Judy Wood puts forth a hypothesis, and one that is nigh impossible to test. That doesn’t mean it is wrong or right. Going further is speculation.
Dr Wood has amassed a conclusive body of evidence, NOT a theory or hypothesis and this video thought experiment will show you the difference: https://rumble.com/v4f6oz2-911-a-conclusive-body-of-evidence-vs-a-belief-or-a-theory-hypothesis.html
Ok, that was not worth watching. I’m convinced of your conviction, but I’ve read her material closely. As before, I leave you to it.
Hindsight is wonderful. Hindsight is 20/20
It wasn’t hindsight for some, for some it was seen for what it was live, as it happened. The moment was 20/20 if you knew what you were looking at.
The meaning of TWENTY-TWENTY HINDSIGHT is the full knowledge and complete understanding that one has about an event only after it has happened. You could not understand it a the time, there was too much going on.
To allege "Architects and Structural Engineers worth their salt should have recognized it immediately because it violated fundamental principles" That must be one of the most ridiculous staments I have ever heard.
Anyone worth their salt wouldn't' make such an asinine statement. My view, no apologies, needs to be said.
Oh please do explain to me what 20/20 hindsight means!
You don’t know what I did or did not understand at the time, or what my level of expertise is, so don’t presume. You know what’s asinine? Your comment. Your view. Based on nothing except presumption.
Try getting over your arrogance, it may help
Right back at you. Try showing others some respect.
Where do I go to find Judy Wood's thorough analysis?
Read Dr Wood’s book: Where did the towers go? https://www.wheredidthetowersgo.com
Andrew Johnson's two FREE E-Books on 9/11:
1. 9/11 Finding the Truth - http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/pdf/9-11%20-%20Finding%20the%20Truth.pdf
2. 9/11 Holding the Truth - http://checktheevidencecom.ipage.com/checktheevidence.com/pdf/911%20Holding%20The%20Truth%20-Andrew%20Johnson%20-%202017.pdf
she wrote a book, plus lots of vids on YT
Read Dr Wood’s book: Where did the towers go? https://www.wheredidthetowersgo.com
Andrew Johnson's two FREE E-Books on 9/11:
1. 9/11 Finding the Truth - http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/pdf/9-11%20-%20Finding%20the%20Truth.pdf
2. 9/11 Holding the Truth - http://checktheevidencecom.ipage.com/checktheevidence.com/pdf/911%20Holding%20The%20Truth%20-Andrew%20Johnson%20-%202017.pdf
Reveals, yes. But the Ops are lies, to paint them as not is itself a lie. Not a pawn, and we are sovereign. Too many don’t realize it or their power. That is not a lie.
Wikileaks dropped the Canadian 5th gen warfare manual, namely psychological operations.
Talks a lot about dealing with stopping insurgences by treating it like stopping a contagion, then goes on to basically explain everything that’s been done to us over the pandemic.
The Brain is the Battlefield of the Future. Neurocognitive science is being weaponized. They've gone far beyond 1st-gen psyops.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N02SK9yd60s
Thanks for another amazing guest. You seem to be able to find the most amazing people to have a conversation with.
Unfortunately, 90% of the people believe the official narrtative about 9/11. The same will happen with the shots...
Once one wakes up to the Covid lies, one starts to question everything. Then one realizes everything they ever believed has been one big fat lie.
That “one” is me. I awoke a year ago.
Started with questioning my religious beliefs 10 years ago. Now I question everything. But the lies told to me by my govt - started at the beginning of the pandemic. Never going back.
Same
I was literally talking about this on Friday night with some friends. The towers collapsing were because “the floor below can’t take the weight of the floors above falling on it...” explanation was what I got from them. Sounds simple and reasonable until you hear the alternative evidence - which 90% of people haven’t heard. I instantly text them a couple documentaries the next day. They prob won’t watch them. But I’m tired of the lies that we’ve all believed.
Note - these friends DO see through the Covid BS. Not as clearly as I do, but they know something isn’t right about it.
Nice, interesting!
I did realize that was a fake terrorist attack as soon as the tower collapsed. I'm a filmmaker and going through the frames I saw what the video you posted above shows: a controlled demolition without any doubt. And when building 7 collapsed in the afternoon it was the cherry on the cake as we say here in old europe! Then I did download everything was online right after including the radio communication of the famous fake 4th plane that crashed somewhere in a bush without leaving any rest as the one at Pentagon! 😅
Only the fake landing on the Moon in 1969 might seem more real than 9/11 fake terrorist attack!😂
9/11 was the most crystal clear set up by Cia, Mossad at al, and when I saw New York citizens in the streets with the sign "Not in my name" I said "Great so at least New Yorkers are aware that it's an internal job... instead few days after even them with that stupid US flag outside everywhere...
So I agree, since at least 1969 US has been THE CORPORATION of FAKE NEWS, the propaganda machine that never stops, the PSYOP cultural and strategic center.
Covid-19 was the general rehearsal of something even worst than Moon or 9/11, the total world people control. And it worked, most got vaccinated, most blamed against non vaccinated
Again, problem is they know that they have complete control on the majority of idiots brains, that are not ignorant, they prefer not to know.... that it's a big difference and makes them as guilty as the directors of this crimes!
That's why USA is and it has been a real threat to all the rest of the world, sorry to say that, but it's the real sad truth.
I invite you to come and refute the evidence presented in 2007 for the qui-tam whistleblower case against 23 NIST subcontractors for science fraud: https://www.drjudywood.com/wp/court-case-qui-tam/
This whistleblower case was filed BEFORE Richard Gage and his architects for an engineered truth’s website was even online. Another factoid with regards to the RFC (request for correction) filed to NIST by the organisation and then also Steven E. Jones, all champions of the thermite, molten metal theories - NEVER even mentioned their explosive thermite or molten metal in their filings. Why is that? Could it be that they canot prove their theories?
Something else you don’t know is that the initial dust samples studies done by Steven E. Jones wanting to prove thermite in the dust has been DEBUNKED numerous times as a FLAWED study, have a listen to this science debate where the shortcoming of that paper is pointed out in 2010: https://rumble.com/v3zqfm4-911-and-the-thermite-conspiracy-2010.html
After all, thermite is an incendiary and there is a challenge that is over 10 years old for anyone to prove that thermite has the explosive power to do what we saw happen to the towers on 9/11 - Here, you can have a list to an aerospace engineer discuss this challenge in a presentation he gave in May 2024 for Boston 9/11 truth: https://911revision.substack.com/p/thermite-revisited-and-demolished
You can download the Refutation of Richard Gage’s Game in 2008 AND 2023: https://truthsummit.info/media-files/DrJudyWood-refutation-RichardGage-claims.pdf
Now, getting back to the 2007 whistleblower case that was ALSO filed with the US Supreme court in 2009, that had all this evidence condensed into a 500 page educational handbook, that even a 5 year old can understand: https://www.wheredidthetowersgo.com/
I suggest you read it…
You then find that it is a conclusive body of evidence, NOT a theory or hypothesis and this video will teach you the difference: https://rumble.com/v4f6oz2-911-a-conclusive-body-of-evidence-vs-a-belief-or-a-theory-hypothesis.html
If reading a 500 page handbook, that even a 5 year old could understand is too much effort, well then I invite you to listen to this presentation that covers everything that is contained in the whistleblower court case and the 500 page handbook: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWNzq9OWGmY&t=111s
this article is suggested reading is it extensively covers the 9/11 truth suppression timeline going back to 2005, with the forming of the 9/11 Scholars for truth, which most find intriguing as it points out the COINTELPRO agents that infiltrated the forming truth movement over 20 years ago: https://911revision.substack.com/p/911-truth-suppression-timeline
Then in closing, if reading officially filed court cases, a 500 page handbook that is evidence from the ONLY independent forensic study of the observable evidence in the public domain, the presentation discussing said evidence, articles explaining the limited hangout the 9/11 “truther” movement and the talking head celebrities are that are promoting the farcical thermite or nuke theories (that have NEVER been filed in ANY RFC to NIST or has seen the inside of a court room), then sir you are found guilty of premeditated ignorance.
There are 3 issues most people have when faced with the truth regarding the events of 9/11;
1. Problem solving skills
2. Group Think
3. They just can't handle the implications
In the final analysis there is no "grand" deception" or cover up.
There is only BLUFF!
Because everyone can see what happened to the buildings was clearly and PROVABLY NOT a structural failure (collapse) or a conventional controlled demolition by ANY thermal or kinetic mechanism!
Official narrative – Jet fuel.
Option behind door no 1 – explosives,
door no 2 – thermite,
door no 3 – buried or mini nukes.
Just don’t look at where the EVIDENCE points to.
Bottom line, math don't lie, is that we are missing literally an order of magnitude in the energy required to pulverize to dust some 200,000 plus tons of glass, steel, and concrete.
The energy available vs the energy required is not even remotely close!
I was thinking pretty much the same thing as I watched the video and listened to the mass of material involved. If what he’s saying is correct regarding pulverization etc. The official explanation seems to be unrealistic. Has anyone done an energy balance?
Such analysis has been done by many professionals, some skeptical of the claims, and it has always held up that the available energy, kinetic, potential, chemical, are far short of what would be required. Something in the range of 6 to 12 times as much energy would be required, vs what was available.
Thanks. I’ll have a look for it it.
Make sure you read the Univ of Alaska report on building 7.
https://files.wtc7report.org/file/public-download/A-Structural-Reevaluation-of-the-Collapse-of-World-Trade-Center-7-March2020.pdf
Thanks. A quick eye ball of the WTC 7 document you linked makes me tend to agree it was not a fire that caused the collapse. Not so much their analysis but what the other reports left out.
Also , I didn’t realize the building was asymmetrical, such a perfect collapse of an asymmetrical building by fire and debris in exactly the right places seems unlikely.
I smell bullshit.💩
Thanks. All I’ve found so far are officIal NIST analysis and some other very comprehensive government document that show very plausible collapse mechanisms. I need to find some articles debunking these official documents.
I've found it helpful to start with the disinformation.
Sometimes, it is not. There will be hints of truth embedded.
https://www.veteranstodayarchives.com/2015/04/01/cheney911/
"Mr. Cheney alleges that the cabal did send out a lot of hidden messages through the years to prepare the population for the truth. Rumsfeld’s speeches have been full of references to “the missile that hit this building (the Pentagon)” and “the flight we shot down over Pennsylvania.”
Larry Silverstein, who helped finance the operation through insurance fraud, has repeatedly discussed “pulling” i.e. demolishing Building 7. George W. Bush himself has discussed watching a live Secret Service feed of the first plane hitting the World Trade Center. And Benjamin Netanyahu has repeatedly celebrated the success of the 9/11 operation."
How about Melvin Lattimore, who purchased explosives for the first WTC bombing, possibly with an expired Government credit card, they didn't substitute fake explosives when they could have, intercepted 5 vans, but one got away and they let it explode, then Melvin is seen with Tim McVeigh the day before the Oklahoma City Murrah Building attack, positive ID, Melvin roomed with two of the 19 hi-jackers, also the 20th hijacker, and even reportedly co-signed Mohammed Attar's lease. Yet the 911 Commission couldn't find him because he was serving time on weapons charges?
See, there is a lot more fricked up than just the data, collapse "theories" which are completely not plausible but manufactured engineering deceptions, impossible flight plan stories, unlikely cell phone calls, multiple hi-jacking "exercises" simultaneously, you tube videos of all the reporters hearing explosions, disappearing engine blocks, the passport (!!!), and on and on.
Make sure you read up on Operation Northwoods as well.
Not sure what they were going to do with the plane load of passengers in that one either. AG Bobbie Kennedy wanted to know as well! Maybe that is why the shot him too!
Quantifying is great, but even that is unnecessary. The visual evidence is sufficient to tell you conventional demolition, even nano-thermite is insufficient to atomize most of this gargantuan structure before it hits the ground.
As you say, not even close.
Looks sus to me but there are some things that I’ve seen like the “volcano shot” I saw a video of the still that I think it came from. The “fire cracker” exploding is actually going up and into the centre the look of the building looks like the dust cloud is being entrained back into the collapsing structure, which is what I’d expect to see. It’s the exact opposite of what was described. This doesn’t mean he’s wrong overall, I love listening to sensible discussion about anything heterodox, it sharpens the mind even if I end up disagreeing. The virus/no virus is a good example, made me look up what a virus is and it’s certainly not what I thought it was. Love learning something new.
I’m not trying to debunk Gage. I’m just saying the nature of the physical evidence shows ridiculous amounts of energy. Not from a fire, not progressive collapse. Anyone can see that pulverizing material like what is observed is *off the scale* in terms of energy required. Cracking concrete is one thing, cutting steel or breaking joints is one thing. Reducing material to powder at this scale….that has never been seen before.
I agree that amount of energy is likely ridiculously large. I was going to do a back of the envelope calculations to get an order of magnitude to satisfy myself that I’m not talking out my ass, but I keep getting distracted by Sage’s substack. 😀
It’s a fairly involved analysis. You’d have to get a basic understanding of the structural system and components (steel beams, columns, girders, truss joists, corrugated metal deck, concrete fill plus reinforcing, as well as all of the precast cladding. Then there’s all of the glass and aluminum and gypsum, and fireproofing. Then there’s all the building systems: plumbing pipes, mechanical systems, elevators, stairs. It’s quite a laundry list just to account for mass and material types, each of which is going to have a different factor to pulverize. Better have a big envelope! Yes, SH’s stack is awesome.
Yep. That’s why I’d rather enjoy myself on SH stack. I wasn’t going to go into that much detail there are estimates for the main bulk of the building online and I just wanted a rough estimate.
Just found this that’s thrown a spanner in the works as a source of energy I hadn’t considered.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/09/110921074747.htm
Unresolved issues with this man- namely his ignoring of evidence. I’d rather hear Judy Woods explanation of events
Can you elaborate.?I am not an expert on the full range of personalities or anything subtle like their best/worst arguments at the micro-detail level. As I mentioned: I did not have the time to follow the full set of details at the time.
Matthew, Judy Woods does a better review of the forensic evidence. Not a complete list, but she probed seismic data, property damage surrounding the buildings, and most importantly the nature of the pulverized dust that much of the building structural mass was reduced to. Nano-thermite and conventional means of demolition aren’t sufficient to account for the observed phenomena.
She explores specifically, a hypothesis, one that proposes the possible use of directed energy devices which may serve as an explanation.
In the end, it is only a hypothesis. Until such time that time travel becomes a reality, it will remain there. It’s a useful exploration and her analysis of the evidence is well taken.
The takeaway, whether based on the explorations of Gage or Woods et al, is the same: the official narrative is bullshit.
I agree. Flying 2 x Boeing 767s into the buildings sounds like a pretty highly powered directed energy (kinetic & chemical) weapon if you ask me. Some acoustic crowd control weapon or what not would be pretty insignificant by comparison, 😀
Bare in mind that flying ONE Boeing into a building is a near impossible feat of aero-engineering and piloting.
I’m not experienced enough to know. The only airplane I’ve ever had the pleasure to control is a friends Piper Cherokee which is hardly comparable. Landing safely in the Hudson River would probably be more difficult.
How about flying 2 x B-767 into three buildings? As for impact and consequences, you might want to check out how structural integrity of the Empire State Bldg fared vis-a-vis a B-25 in 1945.
Instead, Stick a pencil in a screen door and see how damaged the screen door is.
I would imagine wind loading (small slightly dynamic force over a large area) and being hit by a plane (large dynamic force over a small area) would have substantially different structural implications. Not saying you don’t have a point, I haven’t done the math, don’t know the facade design in question, but my guess is the energy transfer over time (power) would be substantial.
Fabulous replies on this thread guys! Well done all :)
The issue at hand on 9/11 is a Materials-Science one; if you challenge Mr Gage on anything, he does not have the capacity to address the inconsistencies in the data or his own argument.
We have all wondered if he is himself under duress.
What is your impression, Matthew, of the New York streets lined with baked cars, lined with intact trees and fallen office paper?
I can't go deep on this topic, yet. Maybe one day I'll be able to put in the time that I have as with the pandemic. But I'd hate to prejudice myself too much on such facts that I've barely just learned about.
It’s wonderful to see it happening.
Look out for Judy Wood’s collection of photos of that crazy day. Find the book.
And missing engine blocks?
Judy Wood has a much better explanation. It is better also because I can accept more easily that there was also some experimentation on new technology involved, with more than one application at the same time (try out the weapon, plus try out influencing a storm/weather system), rather than just blowing up some buildings to save on the solution of a costly asbestos problem. The former scenario puts 9/11 more in the category of Hiroshima, trying out new technology with the added bonus of achieving a political/war goal (here, be able to go into Afghanistan - which from the first moment i found completely unwarranted by "molten steel structures giving in"). Just staging a terror attack, at that scale, with that amount of effort, would just not have made enough sense, imho, would not have been a worthy enough project to gain the respect, complicity of so many as must have been involved. The patriotic testing of new defense tech and humankind's big next step in dominating the destructive force of weather phenomena, maybe could garner more respect and quell scruples. Just remember how proud we were of having deflected the meteorite quite recently.
Do you by chance have a link?
There is her old and new websites and she has published a book, "Where did the towers go". She also had filed a lawsuit, because as she said, what evidently happened was pulverization of the towers not storey by storey collapse.
It's about directed energy fields and a technology that, she says, is also used for "Active denial" riot control. You just have to take a look at her face, she is a highly qualified materials specialist and she looks like a person who would normally not be indulging in conspiracy theories if she can help it. What I find extremely telling, is that there is NO Wikipedia entry on her. Probably because potentially a classified weapon was involved. Otherwise wouldn't it have been a feast for Wikipedia to debunk and ridicule her? She stresses that she is not proposing any theory on who made it happen, she just describes what evidently happened and proposes working hypotheses about what known phenomena resemble that and how it might have been brought about. In small details, you catch her spinning her material according to her wishes. Really only one - a photo where she claims that the dust blacked out the sun.Yes it is hazy and dusty, but that photo has a building wall covered in sunlight so you can know from that, that the darkness is just because the sun was mostly blocked out by the highrise buildings as it was morning, not noon. But apart from that, much food for thought and for me, this makes the whole thing better understandable, somehow less frivolous, just as it comforts me to have understood that the present goings-on, from Extinction Rebellion to the unhealthy shots, to new euthanasia legislations, are supported by a centuries-old uninterrupted ongoing eugenics discourse which at least reads logical. It makes things more understandable.
I find pulverization hard to believe, sounds like alien tech. Not saying it's not true but that I have a hard time believing it.
I'm with you on this one, buddhi. I think we would see signs of such tech elsewhere, including bunker busting, if it existed. Directed energy waves are just starting to be employed to break up kidney stones.
Yes true... On the other hand, also other phenomena, like the results of gene splicing and of mRNA gene therapy, might have sounded like alien tech, until it was explained how it works. And I think there are a lot of the newer weapons that work in ways that we would not easily understand or believe, and trying such tech out at scale is maybe difficult in peace times... So for trying them out one needs a plausible cover scenario... But then, one thing is undisputable I think - that no matter how it came about: what we saw happening with the WTC complex on that day, WAS happening and DID happen under its own hard-to-believability...
I invite you to come and refute the evidence presented in 2007 for the qui-tam whistleblower case against 23 NIST subcontractors for science fraud: https://www.drjudywood.com/wp/court-case-qui-tam/
This whistleblower case was filed BEFORE Richard Gage and his architects for an engineered truth’s website was even online. Another factoid with regards to the RFC (request for correction) filed to NIST by the organisation and then also Steven E. Jones, all champions of the thermite, molten metal theories - NEVER even mentioned their explosive thermite or molten metal in their filings. Why is that? Could it be that they canot prove their theories?
Something else you don’t know is that the initial dust samples studies done by Steven E. Jones wanting to prove thermite in the dust has been DEBUNKED numerous times as a FLAWED study, have a listen to this science debate where the shortcoming of that paper is pointed out in 2010: https://rumble.com/v3zqfm4-911-and-the-thermite-conspiracy-2010.html
After all, thermite is an incendiary and there is a challenge that is over 10 years old for anyone to prove that thermite has the explosive power to do what we saw happen to the towers on 9/11 - Here, you can have a list to an aerospace engineer discuss this challenge in a presentation he gave in May 2024 for Boston 9/11 truth: https://911revision.substack.com/p/thermite-revisited-and-demolished
You can download the Refutation of Richard Gage’s Game in 2008 AND 2023: https://truthsummit.info/media-files/DrJudyWood-refutation-RichardGage-claims.pdf
Now, getting back to the 2007 whistleblower case that was ALSO filed with the US Supreme court in 2009, that had all this evidence condensed into a 500 page educational handbook, that even a 5 year old can understand: https://www.wheredidthetowersgo.com/
I suggest you read it…
You then find that it is a conclusive body of evidence, NOT a theory or hypothesis and this video will teach you the difference: https://rumble.com/v4f6oz2-911-a-conclusive-body-of-evidence-vs-a-belief-or-a-theory-hypothesis.html
If reading a 500 page handbook, that even a 5 year old could understand is too much effort, well then I invite you to listen to this presentation that covers everything that is contained in the whistleblower court case and the 500 page handbook: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWNzq9OWGmY&t=111s
this article is suggested reading is it extensively covers the 9/11 truth suppression timeline going back to 2005, with the forming of the 9/11 Scholars for truth, which most find intriguing as it points out the COINTELPRO agents that infiltrated the forming truth movement over 20 years ago: https://911revision.substack.com/p/911-truth-suppression-timeline
Then in closing, if reading officially filed court cases, a 500 page handbook that is evidence from the ONLY independent forensic study of the observable evidence in the public domain, the presentation discussing said evidence, articles explaining the limited hangout the 9/11 “truther” movement and the talking head celebrities are that are promoting the farcical thermite or nuke theories (that have NEVER been filed in ANY RFC to NIST or has seen the inside of a court room), then sir you are found guilty of premeditated ignorance.
There are 3 issues most people have when faced with the truth regarding the events of 9/11;
1. Problem solving skills
2. Group Think
3. They just can't handle the implications
In the final analysis there is no "grand" deception" or cover up.
There is only BLUFF!
Because everyone can see what happened to the buildings was clearly and PROVABLY NOT a structural failure (collapse) or a conventional controlled demolition by ANY thermal or kinetic mechanism!
Official narrative – Jet fuel.
Option behind door no 1 – explosives,
door no 2 – thermite,
door no 3 – buried or mini nukes.
Just don’t look at where the EVIDENCE points to.
I invite you to come and refute the evidence presented in 2007 for the qui-tam whistleblower case against 23 NIST subcontractors for science fraud: https://www.drjudywood.com/wp/court-case-qui-tam/
This whistleblower case was filed BEFORE Richard Gage and his architects for an engineered truth’s website was even online. Another factoid with regards to the RFC (request for correction) filed to NIST by the organisation and then also Steven E. Jones, all champions of the thermite, molten metal theories - NEVER even mentioned their explosive thermite or molten metal in their filings. Why is that? Could it be that they canot prove their theories?
Something else you don’t know is that the initial dust samples studies done by Steven E. Jones wanting to prove thermite in the dust has been DEBUNKED numerous times as a FLAWED study, have a listen to this science debate where the shortcoming of that paper is pointed out in 2010: https://rumble.com/v3zqfm4-911-and-the-thermite-conspiracy-2010.html
After all, thermite is an incendiary and there is a challenge that is over 10 years old for anyone to prove that thermite has the explosive power to do what we saw happen to the towers on 9/11 - Here, you can have a list to an aerospace engineer discuss this challenge in a presentation he gave in May 2024 for Boston 9/11 truth: https://911revision.substack.com/p/thermite-revisited-and-demolished
You can download the Refutation of Richard Gage’s Game in 2008 AND 2023: https://truthsummit.info/media-files/DrJudyWood-refutation-RichardGage-claims.pdf
Now, getting back to the 2007 whistleblower case that was ALSO filed with the US Supreme court in 2009, that had all this evidence condensed into a 500 page educational handbook, that even a 5 year old can understand: https://www.wheredidthetowersgo.com/
I suggest you read it…
You then find that it is a conclusive body of evidence, NOT a theory or hypothesis and this video will teach you the difference: https://rumble.com/v4f6oz2-911-a-conclusive-body-of-evidence-vs-a-belief-or-a-theory-hypothesis.html
If reading a 500 page handbook, that even a 5 year old could understand is too much effort, well then I invite you to listen to this presentation that covers everything that is contained in the whistleblower court case and the 500 page handbook: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWNzq9OWGmY&t=111s
this article is suggested reading is it extensively covers the 9/11 truth suppression timeline going back to 2005, with the forming of the 9/11 Scholars for truth, which most find intriguing as it points out the COINTELPRO agents that infiltrated the forming truth movement over 20 years ago: https://911revision.substack.com/p/911-truth-suppression-timeline
Then in closing, if reading officially filed court cases, a 500 page handbook that is evidence from the ONLY independent forensic study of the observable evidence in the public domain, the presentation discussing said evidence, articles explaining the limited hangout the 9/11 “truther” movement and the talking head celebrities are that are promoting the farcical thermite or nuke theories (that have NEVER been filed in ANY RFC to NIST or has seen the inside of a court room), then sir you are found guilty of premeditated ignorance.
There are 3 issues most people have when faced with the truth regarding the events of 9/11;
1. Problem solving skills
2. Group Think
3. They just can't handle the implications
In the final analysis there is no "grand" deception" or cover up.
There is only BLUFF!
Because everyone can see what happened to the buildings was clearly and PROVABLY NOT a structural failure (collapse) or a conventional controlled demolition by ANY thermal or kinetic mechanism!
Official narrative – Jet fuel.
Option behind door no 1 – explosives,
door no 2 – thermite,
door no 3 – buried or mini nukes.
Just don’t look at where the EVIDENCE points to.
I've long been puzzled by the testimony of (I think) a security guard or other building employee that said there would be weekends in which there were notices posted that power would be out for the building. And they heard VERY heavy bins being rolled around between floors. There are detonation methods by which very hot and fast burning cord is wrapped diagonally on beams, so that it slices through the metal VERY fast, and the weight of the structure causes it to slide sideways and downwards. Imagine a cube with 1,000 pounds on it, sliced with a diagonal slash from one corner to the diagonally opposite corners, resulting in two triangles sliding on each other and having no structural strength for the 1,000 pounds to rest upon.
There was certainly motive for demolishing the building for a number of reasons.
- Stop financial losses for the owner
- Utlizing a sudden insurance change that benefitted the owner
- Destruction of evidence for various government crimes (wasn't $2 billion mentioned the day before as having been missing from the budget? And those records happened to have been stored there? Along with evidence related to the Murrah building bombing supposedly done by Timothy McVeigh, but reflecting outward destruction from within the building.)
- initiate an amazingly quick "writing" of the Patriot Act, which kickstarted a war on Iraq, and and other countries on the basis of "terror"? And also the surveillance on americans and a curtailment of freedoms?
There were LOTS of motives for doing something like this. It just had to be plausibly presented to the public.
And nobody wonders why evidence wasn't allowed to be gathered, and the remains of the buildings were shipped off to China without any ability to study the metal, as it was kept under armed protection.
Yah. nothing to see here... move along. move along. (vigorously demonstrating the jedi wave)
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Here and there, the points you make are still propaganda talking points that were put out to stifle some rather uncomfortable questions people were asking on September 12th... As truth seekers we need to investigate all talking points and weigh them up in relation to the evidence and not personalities of people or what we've been told about people. Covid should have taught people this valuable lesson.
Too many "truth" seekers fall victim of premeditated ignorance, when discounting a point if view because someone else told you not to look into it.
I highly recommend you listen to this presentation of 9/11 evidence.
Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWNzq9OWGmY&t=111s
And then this documentary: https://rumble.com/v42pr22-911-alchemy-facing-reality.html
It will answer A LOT of your questions....
One central issue with 9-11 was the emotional impact. This kept all sorts of people away from any rational questions for a long time. Doubting the narrative made a person feel as if he were supporting the enemy.
The parallels have been apparent to me for many months, perhaps because this time I didn’t want to be fooled again. And by the time of 9-11 I had already discovered the corruption of Pharma & had ceased speaking for any company. In the early 2000s I was also seeing far more aggressive behavior from drug reps. Someone decided they might have better results by pushy if not intimidating attitudes & behaviors.
Some believe there is 'more' to Mr Gage and his organization than meets the eye.
Andrew Johnson, who has done a remarkable amount of work on the 911 versions, is one. You can download his free ebook '911 Finding the Truth' from this page where he also discusses Mr. Gage.
https://www.checktheevidence.com/wordpress/2014/08/03/richard-gage-and-other-liars-for-9-11-truth/
And investigative journalist Rosemary Frei, who was initially advised to ignore Dr. Wood's theories, dug deeper in 2021 and did a number of articles and interviews that are a great place to start.
https://www.rosemaryfrei.ca/revisiting-dr-judy-wood/
Forgot - both Woods & Johnson appear in the video 'Where Did The Towers Go' archived here: https://archive.org/details/where-did-the-towers-go-9-11
There are similar parallels to “plane hits big old steel building, building collapses, sounds about right” in other ops, but such a conclusion is ridiculous, even if your expertise is in low-rise structures or concrete structures. This isn’t about high-rises or steel. There were violations of basic physics and structural principles. Even a well-founded structural intuition would tell you that what happened is not what should be observed.
This shouldn’t take curiosity. It was blatant and outrageous. Just like the proposition that an experimental jab can and should be made mandatory.
The honest truth is that a huge number of architects have terrible structural intuition. They often lack basic expertise, which they really shouldn’t. Just as many doctors have a very dim understanding of many aspects of human physiology (esp nutrition, exercise physiology, immunology, and biological processes). They’re supposed to be “experts”, but they too often are nothing of the kind.
But this isn’t about just incompetence or ignorance.
This is in many ways about people who should know better, accepting the work of others with ‘perceived authority’ at face value, even when that ‘work’ flies in the face of basic rational thought. Some of that is the influence of propaganda, but some of it is a kind of laziness. Some of it is ‘going along to get along’ or keeping your head down.
What is the price of this laziness and obeisance to ‘authority’?
The fallout from 9/11 and Covid speaks for itself.
Totally agree, but realistically most guys and girls just “build to code” or “treat to protocol” many are probably not even interested in their field or may even hate their job. it’s just a pay cheque to pay the bills, do the minimum get paid, don’t rock the boat.
Being a curious expert is not good for your career. You’ll be more likely be seen as a trouble maker.
So back to Gage, not pick on him, but as an example of some who was awakened. What got him to that point, and why did it take 5 years?
We *need* troublemakers! 😊
Possibly he saw or heard one thing that was so improbable it set of his bullshit detector so he kept looking.
That’s what it was for me and the COVID narrative. I was doing some modeling of the pandemic for shits and giggles and my model worked a treat but I had to keep revising down the vaccine effectiveness and had to eventually put in negative numbers. Thought my model was broken and had a look at some “professional ” models and they were worse than mine. They weren’t just shit and simplistic they were deceptive and looked to be reverse engineered to fit the narrative, these guys are too smart to have simply “just made a mistake.” Found Norman Fenton’s blog and down the rabbit I went.
See, the WTC collapse is a different matter because no mathematics or models are necessary to see the fundamental tells. The video from the day-of shows it on the most fundamental level. That’s visual and was seen by everyone almost in real time—there probably wasn’t a single person that didn’t see the video within 24hrs of the event.
Even Gage uses the video footage to debunk the narrative. Why didn’t professionals see it, or having seen it, why didn’t it ring an alarm bell for them right away?
Good on you!
At what point was that, after the EUA for the jabs was signed off on?
Not sure of the exact date, it was during the time when I was bored during the lock-down here in Sydney. Probably around the beginning of September was when I became very suspicious. By 9/9/21 I was "all most certain" the narrative was mostly B.S. The Omicron "game changer" timing was not a surprise to me as vaccine effectiveness had already fallen off a cliff according to my model. I laughed and thought "well played my reptilian overlords", awesome cover story for a failed vaccine.
As others have said, Dr. Judy Wood's analysis is brilliant. She simply presents the evidence of what happened on 9/11, and her conclusion is radically different than the official narrative. Her book is "Where Did The Towers Go?" and unfortunately, most people have never heard of it.
I have a hard time believing the directed energy weapon convo without evidence such tech would be used on obvious problems like bunker busting. A nation with such a weapon could rule the world simply with the threat of taking out critical infrastructure. Goodbye Three Gorges Dam, for instance.
I have been following 911 from the moment it happened, and have never heard of Dr Woods, or any suspicion of DEWs. This sounds like a fantastic leap of fantasy, when there are such clear links to sabotage by the "ABC Elevator Company" and plenty of thermite residue. Any aerial photos would show vehicles buried in asbestos dust, not burnt. The clear fact that the Port Authority had been losing $10M in rents every year as businesses moved away from the towers and on to the internet, and the well documented asbestos remediation problem add up to a clear case for Silverstein to buy and destroy.
I invite you to come and refute the evidence presented in 2007 for the qui-tam whistleblower case against 23 NIST subcontractors for science fraud: https://www.drjudywood.com/wp/court-case-qui-tam/
This whistleblower case was filed BEFORE Richard Gage and his architects for an engineered truth’s website was even online. Another factoid with regards to the RFC (request for correction) filed to NIST by the organisation and then also Steven E. Jones, all champions of the thermite, molten metal theories - NEVER even mentioned their explosive thermite or molten metal in their filings. Why is that? Could it be that they canot prove their theories?
Something else you don’t know is that the initial dust samples studies done by Steven E. Jones wanting to prove thermite in the dust has been DEBUNKED numerous times as a FLAWED study, have a listen to this science debate where the shortcoming of that paper is pointed out in 2010: https://rumble.com/v3zqfm4-911-and-the-thermite-conspiracy-2010.html
After all, thermite is an incendiary and there is a challenge that is over 10 years old for anyone to prove that thermite has the explosive power to do what we saw happen to the towers on 9/11 - Here, you can have a list to an aerospace engineer discuss this challenge in a presentation he gave in May 2024 for Boston 9/11 truth: https://911revision.substack.com/p/thermite-revisited-and-demolished
You can download the Refutation of Richard Gage’s Game in 2008 AND 2023: https://truthsummit.info/media-files/DrJudyWood-refutation-RichardGage-claims.pdf
Now, getting back to the 2007 whistleblower case that was ALSO filed with the US Supreme court in 2009, that had all this evidence condensed into a 500 page educational handbook, that even a 5 year old can understand: https://www.wheredidthetowersgo.com/
I suggest you read it…
You then find that it is a conclusive body of evidence, NOT a theory or hypothesis and this video will teach you the difference: https://rumble.com/v4f6oz2-911-a-conclusive-body-of-evidence-vs-a-belief-or-a-theory-hypothesis.html
If reading a 500 page handbook, that even a 5 year old could understand is too much effort, well then I invite you to listen to this presentation that covers everything that is contained in the whistleblower court case and the 500 page handbook: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWNzq9OWGmY&t=111s
this article is suggested reading is it extensively covers the 9/11 truth suppression timeline going back to 2005, with the forming of the 9/11 Scholars for truth, which most find intriguing as it points out the COINTELPRO agents that infiltrated the forming truth movement over 20 years ago: https://911revision.substack.com/p/911-truth-suppression-timeline
Then in closing, if reading officially filed court cases, a 500 page handbook that is evidence from the ONLY independent forensic study of the observable evidence in the public domain, the presentation discussing said evidence, articles explaining the limited hangout the 9/11 “truther” movement and the talking head celebrities are that are promoting the farcical thermite or nuke theories (that have NEVER been filed in ANY RFC to NIST or has seen the inside of a court room), then sir you are found guilty of premeditated ignorance.
There are 3 issues most people have when faced with the truth regarding the events of 9/11;
1. Problem solving skills
2. Group Think
3. They just can't handle the implications
In the final analysis there is no "grand" deception" or cover up.
There is only BLUFF!
Because everyone can see what happened to the buildings was clearly and PROVABLY NOT a structural failure (collapse) or a conventional controlled demolition by ANY thermal or kinetic mechanism!
Official narrative – Jet fuel.
Option behind door no 1 – explosives,
door no 2 – thermite,
door no 3 – buried or mini nukes.
Just don’t look at where the EVIDENCE points to.
Been looking for this type of info for forever. Thanks
Good stuff. I've followed Gage since 2006 or so. He's a truth warrior. Sharing
911: IN PLANE SIGHT is another crucial video, now deleted from youtube
And the footage of the "plane" hitting the pentagon is worth trusting your eyes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SL2PzzOiF8
Thank you for this, Matthew! Looking forward to watching your conversation!
When you cite "Loose Change" first, I fear you have not been exposed to Laurent Guyénot's case that Loose Change, and the "(American) Inside Job" hypothesis looks to have been part of the operation, planned in advance as by the perpetrators to distract skeptics from looking at the most likely suspects. The video: https://odysee.com/@ERTV-International-English:f/9-11-and-Israel-s-great-game-Laurent-Guyenot:5
The article: https://www.unz.com/article/the-9-11-double-cross-conspiracy-theory/
Two more videos on multiple subjects including 9/11
Zeitgeist
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1166827/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0
and JFK to 9/11 - Everything is a rich man's trick
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4798606/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0
Will watch these videos asap!
We had a similar event in Spain 03.11.2004. Official version = Total Bullshit. Muslim terrorist were also blamed. Similar to the passport story in NYC, some clues were found in weird locations.
Thinking about it I have developed 4 different possibilities for events like these:
1. The people that are supposed to investigate the events (Governments) are behind the events. I would say this is the case in JFK assassination.
2. Government finds the responsible but it is very inconvenient for its interests. Could be other countries Secret Service, why not the UN, even terrorists... They blame others to avoid "issues".
3. Government is not behind the event but they blame whoever works better for their plans. Perhaps they don't even investigate. Or the investigation is kept secret. Could have been terrorists or not. 2 and 3 are similar and, to me, and before watching the videos, 9/11 sounds something like this.
4. Government must find a culprit because otherwise they look stupid so they "find" one. The one that sounds more likely or whatever. This has happened in "minor" events, for example Maddeleine McCann or Amanda Knox. If they have to pick a responsible, they will choose the one that is better for their interests.
Started with the videos. I move 9/11 to Hypothesis No. 1