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Visceral Adventure's avatar

Maybe it’s worth adding to the ways a chaos agent operates that they might be keen on passing out black pills: create the reality of so much doom that any resistance becomes futile. This defeatist outlook sucks out hope from even the most spiritually inclined in us.

Mathew Crawford's avatar

Perhaps, but I think we're talking about a tool that can be used in multiple ways. I'd rather behind by the motivation/goal behind the action. Red and white pilling can be used strategically by Chaos Agents, and black pills might even be misunderstood or simply be a process of exploration of those things that have been hidden from us.

I say this at least partially because I've sometimes been accused of black pilling, but I consider myself the optimist. My view of the recent past is darker than that of people who were hypnotized by the Matrix, but my primary belief is that the operators of the Matrix, behind the curtain, will go bankrupt. And that's what will end the Dark Age they reign over. In my mind, it's a motiving white pill, but waking up from the illusions is shocking for anyone. Yet, we need people operating in reality---because when it all breaks down, somebody has to be alert and ready to rebuild it.

Visceral Adventure's avatar

The Stockdale Paradox. I’m here for it.

Mathew Crawford's avatar

Ah, thanks for reminding me of this story!

Stockdale is very much the way I think of myself. The optimism is the long term phenomenon, not an empty short term hopium. This is worth putting on the list of principles to teach.

Edit: For those reading, here is the Stockdale story.

https://robertglazer.com/friday-forward/stockdale-paradox/

Malignant's avatar

Stockdale Paradox shows why Christianity is so successful.

“Accept your trials and tribulations stoically, because persecution is guaranteed, but hold fast to your joy because we win in the end.”

Jaye's avatar

This puts a name to it. I had never before heard of the Stockdale Paradox. This is very helpful

Rebecca's avatar

More homework for me.

Visceral Adventure's avatar

Lol. You’ve heard it all before, Rebecca. Not like we aren’t slinging philosophies in OU on the daily. But it does have a pretty picture of my mom. 😂

Yet Another Tommy's avatar

Didn't know that, read it.

It seems a perfect example of the optimists referred to would be RFK jr and his followers not considering or acknowledging the apparent fakery of the Trump assassination attempt and Thiel's possible role. Or maybe they are just hiding their doubts.

Nine signs Trump’s assassination attempt was faked

Psychological operation is aimed at the religious and uncritical, say analysts (Updated 8/13/24)

https://hillmd.substack.com/p/seven-signs-trumps-assassination

Hard to tell on the following, but it may be a similar psyop:

The Shocking Truth Behind: The Assange Show

https://josephinecashman.substack.com/p/the-shocking-truth-behind-the-assange

The Word Herder's avatar

Same for these "suddenly politicians" I see, trying to jump into power positions with barely a whisper about who they are or where they come from...

Bacca400's avatar

> Maybe it’s worth adding to the ways a chaos agent operates that they might be keen on passing out black pills: create the reality of so much doom that any resistance becomes futile.

I'd say most of the black pillers are just depressed anyway. Depression is at an all-time high, so is the demand for instant gratification. When something doesn't happen as fast as they think it should, you get black pillers. So the black pilling is sort of a spontaneous happening due to social circumstances. Depressed and neurotic kids are often produced from permissive or coddling parents. The sweet spot of raising kids properly is often hard to achieve, especially for those who lack critical thinking skills. And it goes on and on and on for multiple generations.

Dave's avatar

That's a demoralization agent but you still get the upvote

Guy LeBlake's avatar

Black-pilling does not necessitate that someone is controlled chaos.

They may be...but I would not be quick to use it as a value.

Black pilling speaks far more clearly to perception and or a personality type...or even to a better grasp of the facts.

Jack and John need to cross a river. Jack understands that crocodiles patrol the area. John laughs...gets in the water and seconds later disappears in a torrent of teeth and tail. In the end...inasmuch as the progress was concerned...John was controlled chaos...by becoming a lost team member for lack of judgement.

Understanding a situation and issing dire sounding warnings should not always be contrued as black pilling...or even being negative.

Now I suspect I have become an agent of chaos.

The Word Herder's avatar

I think you make a good point. Intention IS kind of the thing.

The Word Herder's avatar

I see this around SS fairly often.

Yancey Ward's avatar

On the Libets experiment- I am not sure it is well designed or meaningful. I know for a fact that when I made myself a subject a subject of it using the gif above, I became aware that my "decision making" went like this- "I am going to make my decision to flex at 1 o'clock, then I am going to make my decision at 6 o'clock, then at 9 o'clock, etc. In short, I had made the decision before I "made" the decision. What do others of your readers do there?

Mathew Crawford's avatar

Is there any delay between the first desire to resist and organized action? If yes, then the primary thesis holds regardless of what meaning you ascribe to the Linet experiment.

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Mathew Crawford's avatar

Automatic billing is attached to the free trials?

Hrm. I wasn't even aware of that, and I don't like it. That is not stated on the screen that allows me to generate the free trial codes. Thanks for letting me know.

I'm trying to make support as optional as possible, but with the discussions of new information/ideas/data that hasn't been organized well enough for an article or video to be what sits behind a paywall. I'll talk with Liam about this. We're trying to find the best tools/options and those which motivate community participation (because a lot of this job is putting our own research together with that sent to us from a wide array of people into a Big Picture).

Bacca400's avatar

> Automatic billing is attached to the free trials?

Yep. This could pertain to any company. Sometimes they claim they need 30 days to disconnect your credit card from their system so they bill you an extra unwanted month. Sometimes when you call to cancel, it "doesn't work" for another 30-60 days after multiple calls, so you still get billed (incorrectly) even after you have called to cancel.

The Word Herder's avatar

This is a great example of why "automatic billing" is a road to ruin...

I'm thinking right now of how I can extract myself from banks altogether.

Freedomisnotfree's avatar

Oh, yes.

Pain to remove some times.

ie. Audible

Betsy McDonel Herr, Ph.D.'s avatar

Have you talked to Substack about more tiers with various levels of participation? They started this chat thing I don’t understand. I am all in on Substack and would be great if they could emulate locals here. But as always content should stay widely distributed for safety.

Shy Boy's avatar

Telegram's pretty good for that.

I was on Locals for a while; I found it pretty meh. It's sort of like a Telegram channel, but monetized and siloed.

Edit: the paywall can at least cut down on the riffraff, which is I think the appeal to Mathew at present. The riffraff on Tele can get pretty intense.

Mathew Crawford's avatar

Telegram is unusable for good communication. It irritates me to no end. If Operation Uplift weren't there, I would delete it. I feel most comfortable calling it the biggest waste of time trash social media tool ever.

Swinking's avatar

Also Telegram doesn' t appear to have a fully functional interface on desktops or even some laptops. It seems designed for mobile devices (phones, tablets) or am I missing something?

Shy Boy's avatar

That hasn't been my experience at all. But I don't bother with large public channels discussing "controversial" topics anymore. So my use cases are probably different than yours.

Telegram's definitely an "instant messenger" type of tool that has grown awkwardly into "social media". I think it shines at 1-1 or trusted small group communication.

I hope you have better luck with Locals.

The Word Herder's avatar

Are you part of the SS operations? As in ownership?

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The Word Herder's avatar

I keep forgetting to mention to whom I'm responding, because it seems VERY frequently SS connects my comment to the WRONG PERSON...

I was trying to respond to Mathew... Sorry if it seemed weird!

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Bacca400's avatar

> Just a voice in the wilderness but I don’t want to manage an account at yet another platform.

I understand. I have 650 online accounts/usernames. About 25 are just for work. I don't want another account. I have "account fatigue".

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I've been meaning to join the locals, have not yet made the time. Perhaps more than any place in all the vastness of cyberspace, I could not imagine a location that would be most worth getting past my natural resistance of yet another platform than a Rounding the Earth locals ...

But I feel similar to the other voice in the wilderness ... (also, about being on multiple platforms .. of course youtube is youtube, but isn't there a significant data footprint with so many videos being made, every day by so many with important stuff (or not) to say, and often being on so many platforms? Not meant as critical, just as a wondering, a weighing the various paradoxes ... https://www.electronicsilentspring.com/

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Rebecca's avatar

Good to know. I guess Maajid’s substack works the same way. I need to figure all this out both for RTE and another friend.

memento mori's avatar

I haven't tried viewing the RTE content on Locals yet, but I resonate with your general sentiment. While I support subscription models and have no problem paying content creators, the platforms (all of 'em it seems) set up auto-pay as a default. Some of the platforms make it easier than others to turn this off. Can't really speak about Locals, but in general, this is my problem with the sub platforms and why I am hesitant to subscribe to any.,

Betsy McDonel Herr, Ph.D.'s avatar

Substack super easy to cancel, pause and restart.

Skye's avatar

Chaos theory sits very “nicely” within the planned de-structuralisation of society! I see this happening in my village - Chaos Agents have been “slotted in” to local housing .. many are indeed plain clothes law enforcement officers .. many “techies” and locally recruited Area Ambassadors .. l see them operate on the village notice boards and among the local community - even “acquiring” enough finance to build the village Community Centre with bar and restaurant .. over the road there is a REAL ENGLISH PUB and that is where the dissenters locate themselves - so much IS known by so many but PEOPLE DO NOT SPEAK OUT such has been the effectiveness of the Government Psychos .. Those of us who stand up and say NO are vilified and much worse - find ourselves charged with false offences relating mainly to driving in a bid to keep us STATIC and therefore observable - cut off too from medical services .. it’s quite a life taking a stand against these cleverly positioned Chaos Agents whilst the Government fear and propaganda machine pumps out “supporting lies” for the Chaos Agents and their cronies the Area Ambassadors 24/7 .. WE WILL NOT BE DEFEATED even if we pay the ultimate sacrifice!

Polemos's avatar

https://www.coljohnboyd.com/static/documents/2018-03__Boyd_John_R__edited_Hammond_Grant_T__A_Discourse_on_Winning_and_Losing.pdf

Col John Boyd helped many military (and intelligence) minds to conceive operational tempo as an outcome of people's (epi)genetics, culture, material resources, intentions, and understanding of history. The shorthand model called the 'oodaloop' summarizes a cycle that gets Cliffnoted as a simple four-step thing when Boyd's own diagram shows it as a non-linear algorithmic process. We all Observe, Orient, Decide, and Act, and then we see how our acting out of choices we make in the environment we find ourselves to be within, make corrections, and then proceed again through the oodaloop.

You can see how thinking about "getting ahead" of another's readiness potential is vital to enclosing the duration of someone's oodaloop within your own. If you can take it all in and act faster than your opponent, time will not only be on your side and against theirs, but you can also maneuver your opponent into worse and worse situations until they functionally break down. Isolation and suspension of all outside cues and information are key steps in shutting down an opponent —precise reasons why lockdowns and control of mass communication broke the resolve and cohesion of so many people. Boyd is a treasure for making deep sense of this and then offering it to us so very effectively.

Boyd's book looks daunting at 400 pages, but these are mostly slides off which he'd lecture. You can very easily look at the slide and think through what the larger narrative is. The pdf I posted presents an order Boyd himself took chronologically in coming into these ideas and growing them outwards from observations he made as a fighter pilot about who in what aircraft beats whom in what other aircraft in which environments to understanding how any agent wins in any competitive situation against opponents striving to outcompete them.

Boyd is extremely useful for anyone who wants to begin developing a "guerilla" or "insurgent" mindset (as well as a "hegemon" or "counterinsurgent" mindset), and he will get you thinking about these issues with an economy of words. This is explicitly laid out in the "Strategic Game of ? and ?" lecture.

Overall, though, victorious people will need competency, trust, big vision combined with detail appreciation, and an overwhelming willingness to get outside themselves and into the world.

Shy Boy's avatar

Same idea in many martial arts. Judo and Aikido come to mind.

OODA is a very useful theoretical framework, but it's more about tactics. Things get much more complicated when we're considering evolving situations over longer time scales.

Waterbird's avatar

Hi Mathew, interesting article. I have been working to understand my own role and how I can be useful when certain challenges can make me feel quite ineffectual despite my “potential”. I am a physician working in a system that expects me to follow protocols I don’t agree with. I have been reading substacks and researching in a compartmentalized way, but now I am starting to write and comment as ways of engaging that are new for me.

I’m curious on how much community connections might open up for me through substack comment sections. I encourage you (readers) to see the two posts I have made and commenting there if you would like to support me.

Mathew Crawford's avatar

Substack generates some community, for sure. But it seems less productive on a research level than something like a private chat group, discord channel, or something similar. The privacy level makes it easier to form bonds and relationships in my experience.

The Word Herder's avatar

"Private" chat group? Is ANYTHING online actually private??

Mathew Crawford's avatar

At the very least, there is a level of shielding that cuts out chaos. I want a place where people come to be productive. Substack is great for many reasons, but isn't that.

The Word Herder's avatar

I agree, to some degree, but there are some productive people on here, too.

Aren't you one of them? I donut judge you yet, I am a New Reader... woof!

DrLatusDextro's avatar

The manifestation of a conscious action is preceded importantly by unconscious processing. The exercise of 'free will' is as much the unconscious 'go-no go' processing, as it may be an intentioned, considered conscious internal debate.

I ponder whether science inadvertently discovered the soul, residing deeply between nix and consciousness, the unconscious arbiter of our external agency.

Evil is readily witnessed today. Knowing that it arises from the unconscious highlights the essence of a spiritual battle waged among humanity.

And then we have the extraordinary, relentless and profound conditioning that has been imposed.

The Yale University psy-ops study is terrifying. It took place before the experimental synthetic gene/LNP injections became available and that was cited as a limiting factor to the study. ie. once people became aware of the death/sickness signal, the conditioning would not stand. I believe that there exist a portion of the populous so deeply conditioned, it would hardly matter were the injections formally deemed lethal. Such people would still adhere to the narrative.

The chaos manufacturers have been hard at it for awhile now. Socially, economically, ethically, traditions, customs, culture, identity, all subject to delegitimisation. Such are the neo-Marxist imbued inhuman GloboCorp technofascists, the sensate tools of the Davos Cult. Division, exclusion and inequality are de rigueur. For the moment then, alternate communities inevitably evolve. The push to shove may materialise when one side decides it will no longer tolerate the other.

E.K. James, S.E. Bokemper, A.S. Gerber et al. 39 (2021) 7158–7165

Persuasive messaging to increase COVID-19 vaccine uptake intentions

https://doi.org/10.1016/j.vaccine.2021.10.039

toolate's avatar

Imo you left out what is most critical in my mind:

Divide and conquer. The goal is always to sew division.

In every facet of life.

Second, sew doubt about truth. Undermine the most basic assumptions about our lives.

I saw couples divorced over the vaccine. These were smart kind people too.

Gort@ControlGroup.Science's avatar

This concept so fits with the current Dr Simone Gold controversy. Is she a Chaos Agent, or are the AFLDS board members?

I can think of three major figures in the movement who have become monomaniacal, which makes them easy targets for disdain. As someone on the inside however I see that a highly capable individual would be driven to madness by the gaslighting and prohibition from acting in their professional capacity.

Mathew Crawford's avatar

She is on my research list. There is a lot to discuss, but I'll save that for another time.

Shy Boy's avatar

You know Piven and Cloward? Classic work. Probably apropos here.

https://openlibrary.org/works/OL2763963W/

Jim H's avatar

I don't question Simone Gold's dedication and sincerity. Maybe the folks questioning her don't recall her first Youtube video that made a splash - she and another doctor - I don't recall his name but I think he was a cardiologist and was speaking of the safety of HCQ in the wake of anti-HCQ propaganda - made a video in 2020 speaking up for the use of early treatment and hydroxychloroquine. As a result of that video, and her patient advocacy, she lost her job as a practicing ER physician. She's not monomaniacal, she's a very, very rare bird intellectually; MD, JD.

Mathew Crawford's avatar

Be careful with assumptions of sincerity. You may be surprised at the details that will be revealed. And in my one personal communication with her, numerous people seem to confirm that she lied to me.

Jim H's avatar

Her origin on the scene was as a fighter for the scientific truth of hydroxychloroquine's efficacy. She argued against shutting down schools, and against the unprecedented intrusion into the doctor patient relationship. This video is dated July 28, 2020. Every single thing she says during this interview is true. Her origins are clean. I await your information to suggest that something went wrong in the mean time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poOGJ-wH-Fw

Sherryl Jnosko's avatar

I was always suspicious of Simone Gold and AFLDs as they popped up so quickly as an organized group.

Mathew Crawford's avatar

And with what appear to be foreign intelligence ties. I'll explain more completely later. Many priorities in between.

Freedomisnotfree's avatar

Get over it. You don't know what you are talking about. Do your homework on what she has done. She and her son were traipsing around a few US states themselves at the beginning.

The Word Herder's avatar

Freedom: I don't know, really, but my feeling on her is a good one.

The Word Herder's avatar

Well, I'm a "nobody" who popped up in March 2020... Some us just have a good nose! But I don't know the skinny on Simone Gold.

Ernie Rockwell's avatar

Dr. Gold says it was someone else in her organization trying to cover up

their own malfeasance. Of course I have no first-hand information, but

having met Dr. Gold on her tour and seeing all she has been willing to

subject herself to, and the utter truth of what she has said (I credit the

FLDS speech in July 2020 in DC with informing me about early treatment

(HCQ + - using it since, no Covid)), I'm very inclined to believe her.

Another case is the dispute between Reiner Fuellmich and Vivienne Fischer

(if I spelled their names correctly). She claims he stole over $1 million.

I haven't read his response (I know he gave one, if someone has a link...).

In any event he is a clear, strong and very valuable voice in the medical

freedom movement.

Shy Boy's avatar

Here's Reiner's new site: https://icic.law/en/

I'll have to summarize from memory what Margaret Anna Alice (http://margaretannaalice.substack.com) said about the split in a comment that I saw a week or two ago: sorry, I don't recall where. She was siding with Reiner, and said that Vivienne was the one stealing donation funds, although Reiner did make a (legal) loan to himself to pay off his house or something. Apparently they were given a bunch of gold, and that's what started all this.

I can imagine Vivienne might be a Chaos Agent, but I think there's probably a more benign (if sad) explanation. Hard for me to say anything bad about Reiner just based on his publicly available work. Like many who put their professional reputation at stake, he must be under quite a lot of pressure. Peter McCullough is certainly in that category. I don't think he was planning to retire any time soon!

The Word Herder's avatar

Shy: I would tend to agree that there's probably a more benign explanation... That said, it's surely the case that these folks are under a LOT of pressure, not to mention badmouthing and so on...

McCullough, tho... I don't trust that guy. How can he STILL not be aware about the whole "virus" thing? If I can understand this stuff, why can't HE? But maybe he's under that spell still and he's actually a "Good Guy." Who knows. Truth will out, I suppose.

The Word Herder's avatar

It's sad to see all these people doing lousy things... As if it's not bad enough that there's genocide going on, we have to watch formerly non-criminal people turn into skanks... And I have no idea about Fuellmich/Fischer... Sad, tho.

Freedomisnotfree's avatar

This is the Evils MO. I would not be surprised if they are paying off these people Big time or extorting, or threatening health and well being of these individuals running askew. The Evils typical International Mafia and Mercenary tactics. These people are playing for keeps and they are Pros. If they can infiltrate Trudope's Cabinet, US Administration ( not difficult ), UK, other European and almost every other Country's Leadership. They can infiltrate Dr. Simone Gold's group and make Reiner Fuellmich look bad. While these saviors are still doing ( a tremendous ) good, we have to back them up and give them the benefit of any doubt automatically in this climate. Risk/ Benefit Reward. Plain and simple.

Devils MO always the same. Heads up, carry on.

The Word Herder's avatar

Freedom: Yep. I am familiar with Evil, unfortunately. I'm sure they're being monetarily assisted. I've had a couple of my SS friends try to tell me Fuellmich is Controlled Opp... I disagree. Yes, they are pro's and I think there's a shitload of payoffs going on. I agree with your ideas... Back up the Good Guys and heads up, etc.

Betsy McDonel Herr, Ph.D.'s avatar

Such a timely post. I think it is the sense of so much disorganized noise and agitation that can leave one feeling discouraged. Twitter is kind of glorious with all kinds of forbidden speech erupting but overwhelming with tantrums ad hominem new bots and trolls. That will hopefully sort itself out over next few months. But free speech is surprisingly threatening to celebrities and legislators doing all kinds of hand wringing. Is this organic or agitated by a subset of chaos actors? How will we get anything done if we don’t build an effective immune system with respect to chaos actors? More thoughts on immune defenses would be helpful.

EntropyWave's avatar

I really like your immune system analogy. To build on that, I think that one of our biggest problems is that the truth is so close to the lie, much in the same way that some of the spike protein epitopes are so close to epitopes found within the body. The immune system therefore struggles to discern friend from foe. It is strange. This is the first time I have thought of the information war in terms of an immune system but it is a really handy conceptual framework. Thanks!

zuFpM5*M's avatar

My two cents: how do we know what action the potential is building towards? How do we know that the potential can only result in the action requested and can't be changed in progress arbitrarily? Is potential general or action specific? Reducing brain activity to a 2D graph conceals so many assumptions.

Also, did Zerohedge ask you to put your FTX article up on their site? First time I've seen you republished there. I imagine you will get a lot of views!

Mathew Crawford's avatar

"Reducing brain activity to a 2D graph conceals so many assumptions."

But from the perspective of the Chaos Agent, they only need to focus on short-circuiting those actions that would result in organized resistance. They don't have to guess about the ones that are not part of their mission. They have the asymmetric advantage of acting in a lower dimension.

"Also, did Zerohedge ask you to put your FTX article up on their site?"

I was not aware that happened. When did that happen?

I did not give permission, but if asked, I would have.

Rebecca's avatar

The byline is misleading. I take issue with that on Mathew’s behalf.

JWM_IN_VA's avatar

Right which means they can exert much less effort with outsized results or effects.

TW's avatar

Top article Mathew, and as many people have mentioned - timely. I’m sure they (DOD etc) ‘are aware of it’. Masters.

Decision making under time pressure….. Announce a mandate, vax in two weeks or ‘you can’t set foot on the property and you lose your ‘career’ (in reality many are jobs) and your livelihood because unless you can work from home, there are no jobs. Fear, anxiety and panic off the back of masking overwhelms even the most rational, so yes they knew all this. Despite whether or not one believes it was for altruistic or nefarious reasons, they knew how to persuade.

Maybe I missed the tribal gene, maybe I don’t trust people who force conformity, maybe none of it made statistical sense, maybe my intuition was in overdrive, maybe I trust doubt over fear …..maybe all of these, maybe I don’t even know …..

What I do know from those around me on both sides of the narrative - distraction is the latest mother of invention ….and it is seems to working.

Thank you Mathew for reminding us to remain open minded and optimistic - that intelligence and human decency can succeed

The Word Herder's avatar

People who gush over some of these medical experts who are spreading fear and misinformation are being led down a path, as you've clearly explained here. And there are journalists, tech people, a broad cross-section of those who seem to be "experts," or just quite knowledgeable...

I have lost any need to "trust" ANYBODY I don't know, and especially if they appear to be some sort of "spokesperson," self-appointed, and often claim to be chased out of their jobs or whatever. While I know it's true that people like this exist, maybe many of them, I am still skeptical when there are SS writers who have LOTS of money, who insist that if I want to be able even to "like" their post I have to pay them, and if I want to comment, there seem to be thousands of angry, snarky, violently negative people waiting to pounce on me. I consider these kinds of people to be plants.

One exception is Mike Yeadon, and I feel he is on the up and up. Robert Malone, nah. He's a plant, imo.

I don't think there being plants is UNUSUAL at all. And of course, it's not the same exact story for all of the plants, some appear to be just anybodies. Joe Schmoes. I have noticed that usually these folks get a bit hostile if you outwardly question their veracity.

Shy Boy's avatar

You don't have to be a "plant" to be controlled. Tribal instincts work well enough for that. I'd reserve that word for somebody who's deliberately deceptive in pursuit of a subversion strategy.

There's a whole hierarchy of bad actors, from bots all the way to long-game con artists.

The Word Herder's avatar

Shy: okay. So, duh, and-- how are we going to know the difference? Does it really MATTER? Isn't a liar a liar?

Shy Boy's avatar

It's pointless arguing with a bot, right? There's no mind to change. And it's pointless arguing with a genuine professional shill doing their job. But people sometimes change their minds when they realized they've been duped.

So, yes, I think it matters. As for being able to know the difference... practice, practice, practice!

The Word Herder's avatar

Shy: Hmm. I'll consider that, as unbottled as I can. ;)

Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

I agree on both Yeadon & Malone. I'm also suspicious of Vanden Bossche.

The Word Herder's avatar

Yeah. I don't really know that much about Geert, but ANYBODY who has an advanced degree in virology is suspect, in my opinion. How can anyone study for years and NOT KNOW that virology is absolute nonsense? But I also feel like anybody who's worked for the B&M Gates Foundation is automatically a Bad Guy until proven otherwise... I know that's not really kosher, but that's how I feel... This is War.

Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

He worked for the foundation in the past, but is "independent" now. And still married to the idea of vaccines.

The Word Herder's avatar

Surviving: I don't need to think about him, particularly, lol.

JWM_IN_VA's avatar

Hmmm...Died Suddenly and Stew Peter's anyone???

Mathew Crawford's avatar

On my short list to discuss already.

Betsy McDonel Herr, Ph.D.'s avatar

There are better places for the collapse montages and long form interviews with O’Looney and Hirschman. But

Peters and Ruby get credit for giving voice to the many concerned embalmers in the first place. That being said if the film gets someone curious to dig deeper a good thing. My husband to my surprise watched the whole thing added color to all the summaries he gets from me on the research reports coming out daily.

Ernie Rockwell's avatar

Stew Peters is another one I'll stand up for. There were a couple of errors

in "Died Suddenly", notably showing the basketball star who collapsed

in 2020 before the shots. However, the documentary clearly shows the

white clots (Karen Kingston addresses this perfectly in her 11/26 Substack

post) and the testimony by Richard Hirshman is very damning. MSM

criticism isn't so relevant because they will pan it regardless, using 100% lies

when necessary.

He is of course a former bounty hunter who calls himself "America's bullhorn".

He has his own opinions about what it all means (on a lot of subjects) and I

don't always agree 100%. However, he has brought on a lot of guests that

have shed light not just on the "vaccine": health care whistleblowers, vax

victims, hospital protocol victims (he really has advanced that particular

vital story), various forms of institutionalized child abuse (such as from

CFS), and election fraud. And, he introduced us to Dr. Jane Ruby who has

dug up a lot of very important information.

Mathew Crawford's avatar

The way they ignored my DMED findings alone is inexcusable. Somebody was willfully dishonest about that, and manipulatively so. Disgusting.

Peters has repeatedly aired false and misleading information. He is likely a Cahos Agent, IMHO, but could very well be an example of what it looks like when a man of nearly average IQ takes on topics deep in science with too little information for genius scientists to work out easily. The result is misleading.

But the primary damage is mixing the plain truth with confusing disinformation.

Betsy McDonel Herr, Ph.D.'s avatar

Mathew: Here is an amazing post by Dr. Colleen Huber providing a time stamped set of references and back up evidence for claims made throughout the film Died Suddenly. It is an impressive use of her former work to add meaning and substance to the film. Maybe you can interview her on your YT channel.

https://open.substack.com/pub/colleenhuber/p/back-up-for-died-suddenly?r=c8vqx&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

If you would, check out my comments on her Substack post. I think for various reasons, in context with other's information and critiques, the film served a valuable purpose.

Ernie Rockwell's avatar

Have Dr. Theresa Long and/or Thomas Renz come around on the DMED data? I have looked at your DMED articles-what short statement about it, if any,

do you think should have been made in the documentary?

Thanks 😊

Mathew Crawford's avatar

The documentary seems extremely manipulative on the DMED data.

Betsy McDonel Herr, Ph.D.'s avatar

Wasn't their last comment that the database taken down days later, came back manipulated. What was manipulated in part were previous base rate data.

The Word Herder's avatar

I'd say the clot info is worth whatever else. What are your "DMED" findings (is that Disney?)?

Maybe I should watch it again, but... what false and misleading info was in "Died Suddenly"? I am blanking, but I think you meant to say "Chaos Agent"?

Tamsin's avatar

Do a search on RTE archives for "DMED"!

The Word Herder's avatar

I have to go be non-virtual all day... wanna give me a hint? ;)

Betsy McDonel Herr, Ph.D.'s avatar

The one small clip of Peters used for the film was hilarious don’t you think? Capitalizing on his signature outrage style it was appropriate here.

Castigator's avatar

The production is first class, on all counts. Peters put together a team of very capable professionals, and it yielded results.

Mathew Crawford's avatar

First class?

Capable?

When asked about obvious mistakes they made they admitted to not having anyone for fact checking.

It's a total disaster that will discredit the medical freedom movement.

Castigator's avatar

Anyone in the industry worth their salt would tell you same as I. Quite apart from that:

https://karenkingston.substack.com/p/the-film-died-suddenly-lacks-scientific

https://colleenhuber.substack.com/p/back-up-for-died-suddenly

Let factcheckers eat their hearts out.

Betsy McDonel Herr, Ph.D.'s avatar

These are both really helpful background and support data posts.

Kingston brings home the gold with a proposed mechanism of action explanation which is always core to any medical mystery, with patents to show planning, intent and proof of concept. Of course there are already other articles on proposed mechanism of action, There are good ideas on Walter Chesnut's site WMC research.

I see the movie as a foundation to build upon, sort out a few ideas that didn't work, keep the rest.

Stew Peters is the impresario that brought the crowd. Scientists, doctors, medical professionals, scholars and citizen journalists can bring and fill in the evidence.

How Peters did it while also being so banned and surpressed an achievement no one is talking about. Imagine when censorship lifts somewhat, then all the supporting facts and refinements will be ready to go.

Some ambitious filmmaker lurking out here should be planning the sequel.

Betsy McDonel Herr, Ph.D.'s avatar

The film definitely had flaws, a home grown grass roots quality, lacking context for some segments, or some too short like takes on Dr. Ryan Cole. The lighting was crap and everybody looked pretty bad. But theirs is a small organization with few resources trying to make a big impact. And to everyone's surprise they did it. Hooray! It comes at a time of turnaround and readiness for new people in the middle to open minds and ask questions. So some will pursue that and find the better detail, as here in Substack. And the interest increases returning to ask who were those doctors at the mandates protest? Who are Drs. Peter McCullough Jessica Rose, Robert Malone, Pierre Kory, Paul Marik, Zev Zelenko, Naomi Wolf, and Tess Lawrie and so forth. Who is Ed Dowd, is a big one too. These will all be good outcomes, and better sophisticated documentaries will follow.

In my line of work, over decades, I have seen too many advocates for a general goal, mostly in agreement, tear each other apart and ruin the momentum and not achieve the goal. That happened in huge multiyear government projects for which I had responsibility and oversight.

Chaos agents can self generate, out of perfectionism, ego, turf wars, and especially neediness from past hurts and traumas. The list goes on.

Betsy McDonel Herr, Ph.D.'s avatar

Marjorie Taylor Greene announced on Twitter today that she wants to talk to embalmers. She wants a hearing. She is asking followers and constituents where to have it and how to construct it and who should be there.

So people with something to say about that should sign themselves up. Not just embalmers but anyone qualified to comment on what the fibrous calamari like structures are and what triggered them.

So there you go. Thank you Stew Peters. He got the ball rolling. Flaws and all.

JWM_IN_VA's avatar

Respectfully disagree. I think Karl Denninger has this one right. https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3921314.

The only redeeming portion is that of the embalmers and the weird clots.

Ernie Rockwell's avatar

The best part to be sure, but the people suddenly dying is also important. I would have done some of it differently but I didn’t produce a documentary, and he did. Maybe there will be a revision at some point.

Another thing Peters is roundly criticized for is “watch the water”. I do think that Dr. Ardis has laid out some compelling evidence that synthetic venom peptides are involved in the COVID saga, especially in his recent correction of his previous work featured on the Dr. Jane Ruby show.

These are, as I call them, mystery toxic sludge injections. The evidence is for many vectors of harm such as LNP, hydrogel, graphene oxide (Peters was among the first to bring La Quinta Columna’s work to the US audience), self-forming nano/micro structures,

spike protein, and other poisons that could well include synthetic venom compounds.

Personally I’m keeping my powder dry until all is revealed, if that ever happens. In the meantime I’m very grateful for all they are doing. If someone is subsequently proven to be a crisis agent, then so be it.

The Word Herder's avatar

My theory about the shots is that if the Bad Guys had made ALL the shots the SAME, it would have been very obvious what they were up to... To make a lot of different forms of death makes more sense, and to make some deathly and others just saline, even, makes even more sense. You can fool a shitload of people, but if you're trying to take out, ie, KILL, a whole bunch of them with an inoculation, you'd better have a good plan, because that kind of thing is noticeable... DEATH is one thing that people pay attention to...

zuFpM5*M's avatar

"All of the above" strategy is what I think they do with election cheating. I was always looking for some unified explanation, but what makes the most sense is they cheat in every way possible. That muddies the waters when evidence needs to be cited since there are so many avenues to explain.

I can see this being done for the injections as well. It is much harder to explain to people when the problems the injections cause are so diverse.

Freedomisnotfree's avatar

Ernie, absolutely agree.

Water,air and food to kill the human mammals. Encourage breast feeding (with draw formula production approval ) Very simple. If you can chlorinate or fluorinate water you can put put a paralytic agent in it. Why people cannot understand some will be affected more or less depending on consumption and susceptibility I will never understand.

It is the un common common sense lacking I suppose.

This is a really simple plan. Easy to execute. Not as effective as they had hoped so watch out for what is next.

- aérosolizing ( planes almost everyday now, every city for hundreds of miles )

collect heavy metals and Aluminum from your evestrophs by the bucketful and bring in the State AGs office. You are breathing this in and it is coated to facilitate entrance in lung tissue . We need to stop the spraying! They are using drones to spray the people in China see videos rumble.com

and I bet they have started here. Heard and saw a drone the other day outside our house

-mRNA gene editing via edibles and drinkables? Cannot recall the name of the ingestion/absorption agent. Unacceptable Jessica substack.com PhD Computational Biology

just discussing

- these people at the top need to be stopped now! Aggressive sickos.

Everybody stop worrying about the little things and get a plan to stop these guys! Think Big but simple like they do or we will never win.

The Word Herder's avatar

Freedom: I agree.

And I think some serious 5G is coming, and maybe some other nastiness, but... definitely the zap.

Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

He still is adamant that there is not a depopulation program. I don't see how you can look at just what he lists that we know as a whole (not to mention what he leaves out) & not see it as deliberate depopulation program on the parts of a few elites.

JWM_IN_VA's avatar

Are you talking about Karl?

JWM_IN_VA's avatar

Yeah I see your point but I think he will eventually admit to that. Thst subject has been discussed considerably on his forum.

The Word Herder's avatar

Who is adamant? Peters?

I'm sure it's a depop program... Bill Gates himself has told us that many times, and he's been doing exactly that in Africa and India... now wanted in India for MURDER. I can't imagine anyone who has been paying attention doesn't understand this is genocide!

Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

Karl Denninger. If you read the linked post he writes (again) that anyone who thinks its a depop program is crazy. He has banned posters for suggesting it in the past.

The Word Herder's avatar

Surviving: Well, he's wrong. Or clueless. Or a plant... I didn't read that linked post... yet! Thx.

Castigator's avatar

Re: the tickerguy

"... thinly-veiled attempts to claim, for example, that man never went to the moon. If you're one of the people who believe that then you can stop reading here ..."

Guess what I did?

Denninger is just as imperfect as he claims Peters to be, except he fails to realize it.

Freedomisnotfree's avatar

Big issue there!! When it kills.

The Word Herder's avatar

Yeah, I'm down with what you're saying, too.

The Word Herder's avatar

What I saw John O'Looney talking about waaaaay back there. I thought the doc was pretty good.

Abu Maven's avatar

You should go on Bret Weinstein to discuss your grand unified FTX theory. Would be fascinating to hear the two of you discuss.

Mathew Crawford's avatar

Over a period of several years, I tried to discuss numerous aspects of this with him and he either showed no interest or got irritated with it.

Abu Maven's avatar

That is interesting. I don't know if you've listened recently, but he is now talking about FTX quite a bit. He's been saying for a while that the US gov't is captured (he points to the ongoing persistence of military vaccine mandates, long after they've been proven useless, particularly for young healthy people) as an example. And since FTC broke, he's been discussing it frequently as further evidence that our gov't is compromised, i.e., sold out to the highest bidder.

Mathew Crawford's avatar

He isn't wrong about the government being fully compromised. It has been for decades, and part of the great mystery of this moment is why this isn't obvious to everyone.

Sharon Wood's avatar

Brainwashed by MSM and also all the constant chaos, breaking down society financially and psychologically, since at least 9-11.

Ivo Bakota's avatar

Is Brett interested in this stuff? FTX looks right up his brother’s alley. Love to see EW and MC discuss it.

Abu Maven's avatar

Yeah, he's been talking about it.

Ray's avatar

some years back i was stood at the top of a staircase holding a beer listening to a conversation amongst friends when a couple of ladies came past and one of them tripped, my arm went out and grabbed her before i was even aware, like someone else controlled it. ive always had great reactions, fighter pilot quick but this was something else. i didnt even spill my drink however the lady came back with a shot as a thankyou. if someone can explain it scientifically that would be great

JWM_IN_VA's avatar

You mean she hit you in response to reaching out for her?

Polemos's avatar

Drinks and conversation implies contextually the "shot" was a small dose of strong alcoholic beverage.

Ray's avatar

polemos has it right