Grr….I typed a really long response and it did not submit! Making it short because I am just spent, but Dr. Nass is absolutely correct. My apologies, Mathew, that I was not more precise in my explanation tonight. Thank you, Dr. Nass!
The nasal swabs at Visit 1 & 2 went to Pfizer’s lab (Pearl River) where Cepheid’s RT-PCR or “other equivalent” NAAT-based test would be used to detect the virus. The protocol does not define what type of NAAT is used there, but it does define local NAAT results considered acceptable if taken during a SOC visit. We can talk more about this soon, maybe Friday. Remember I worked on Cepheid’s trials:)
The Pfizer protocol claimed that most PCR tests would be sent to a central lab, but that some would be done locally using different tests, because when people in the trial got sick, they would need to be tested where they happened to be or live. I do not think Pfizer could control the PCR tests done, for example, at and by local hospitals.
However, if all the PCR tests on healthy people were performed by Pfizer, there is huge room for abuse, of course...and when you are talking about the most lucrative product in world history, if Pfizer had means, motive and opportunity... would it have committed the crime?
I will ask Brook about this the next time we talk. At this point, I'm not certain exactly how much I trust in documents. Frustratingly, that's part of the lesson of this moment---we have to dig so many levels to point out that the totalitarians have no clothes.
The updated version (starting p.129) differs from the original version (p.3) when it comes to defining what PCR tests will be taken in account.
Section 8.1 (p.51 in the original protocol and p.191 in the amended version) was modified in order not to take PCR tests performed in local hospitals in account (unless no swab was analyzed by the central laboratory).
The original protocol accepted a positive test from either the central lab or a local hospital as a proof of Covid (well... only if the patient had symptoms, but that is another question); but the amended protocol states: "The central laboratory NAAT result will be used for the case definition, unless no result is available from the central laboratory, in which case a local NAAT result may be used (...)"
In both versions, the protocol states a swab must be sent to the central lab: "The assessments will include a nasal (midturbinate) swab, which will be tested at a central laboratory".
So the occurence of there not being an available result from the cental laboratory could only be rare, and in most cases, Pfizer could control the test results.
Whistleblowers are the guardians of our democracy we believed our once free press to be. Since Daniel Ellsberg with the Pentagon Papers whistleblowers have been the rock stars of my world.
"You have to start with the truth. The truth is the only way that we can get anywhere."
uk govt are trying to clamp down with all sorts of new bills strangling independent journos and prevent them reporting whistle-blowers; as well as on policing, "legal but harmful" speech, human rights act and legal protest
Childers does a (fantastic) daily blog of the daily news round up. It’s my only must read if I’m honest. He’s on a hiatus this week due to a jury trial but otherwise … not to be missed. https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/
Oh, that's Childers. I have read Coffee and Covid some (which is something as these days my dyslexic reading time is uber-stretched, and I mostly read research or people I know personally these days).
Jeff is an attorney and his substack is quick shots of updates almost daily. He would be very interested in you. I can’t believe you don’t know each other. Time to connect!!!
The government simply cannot allow the parties to the suit to be deposed, or ultimately, to plead the fifth in court before a nation of vaccine injured... including liability lawyers.
When Brooke wins and I hope she wins, she will dethrone my old boss as one of the biggest whistleblower cases in America. Chris Riedel was whistleblower of the year ~2011
Go Brook! I've just listened to Dr Dolores Cahill in an interview. Her approach is that we need individual suits to set a precedent that will enable others to go forward. For example a fetal death post vax that was not adequately investigated (no coroner's report etc) that can be proved to be caused by vax (she warns against even using terms like miscarriage or still birth - as these suggest a "natural" cause) thus sets a precedent for all subsequent deaths. I'm in Australia so it will be a different approach here.
Does discovery go under the same rules as FOI requests when it come to redaction? i.e. do they get to pick a choose what parts of documents to redact? If so, I can envisage a lot of totally blacked out pages, a la the Pfizer documents...
Redactions can apply to subgroups : general public, parties, etc.
Usually dictated by protective orders specific to the case (if my memory serves correctly).
Not a lawyer but I was involved in patent litigation where plaintiff party was precluded from viewing pre-trial infringement evidence due to protective order implemented to prevent **trade secret** dissemination.
Evidence was restricted by protective order to "attorney eyes only" (includes attorney paid technical consultants and expert witnesses).
Did you know that Japan has a magic 'Fast PCR'? I might have mentioned this in another comment (maybe to Sage Hana), but late last month, I spent a week in the hospital for removal of a swollen thyroid gland.
During a consultation a month prior to checking in, the operating surgeon said that the scheduled operation would depend on himself, the anesthesiologists, and myself testing negative by PCR. A little worried because as the only native speaker of English for public schools in Kunitachi (West Tokyo), I come in close contact (hand-shaking, spitting distance) with over 600 school kids a week, over 2500 different kids during the year. And I am one of those evil SOBs who never even bothered to get tested at the height of the panic. Ivor Cummins had a funny video clip about that on YouTube under ''The Banality of Pure Evil, or Stupidity? Maybe Both - You Decide!!'' (Decided to not post the link directly because YouTube is now deleting links on substack to those posts and/or comments that do not meet YouTube's high standards regarding the narrative.)
At 67, I am supposedly in the high-risk category, though you'd never know it with the kabuki show of NPIs (non pharmaceutical interventions such as masking, disinfectants, distancing, etc.) ... I asked the doctor how that PCR test would determine the difference between me being sick and a potential spreader, and me having long since contracted a virus, and developed natural immunity through my own antibodies. He just grinned and said 'So desu!' — indicating that I had asked the right question, and he had no answer for it.
Come the day to check into the hospital, I was admitted, shown to my room, got into the hospital issued pajamas, issued a washcloth and towel, and taken for a tour of the amenities (rest room, shower, hot water, convenience store, etc.). They seemed pretty confident that though I was in a ''high-risk, likely contact'' category, I would not be testing positive or checking out of the hospital. Confident enough to had already accepted a little less than a thousand dollars from me as collateral in case there was some glitch in my health insurance policy.
It was not until some hours later that myself and 5 or 6 others in pajamas were shuttled into a room with folding chairs for about 30 people, each separated by about a meter.. A nurse came in and checked our height and weight, and then I was the first called to the front, surrounded by a portable screen partition, and had a nasal swab jabbed so deep in me, I thought she was testing for hemorrhoids.
We were told these were 'Fast PCRs' (between 20 and 30 minutes) ... no mention of RAT tests or other alternatives in either the spoken consultation or the written form ... and told that if the test came back positive, we would be contacted discretely (to protect our privacy of course) and escorted out of the hospital. To my knowledge ... though everything from goats to papaya to motor oil tested positive in Tanzania a couple of years ago, miraculously, nobody has been turned away from a scheduled operation because of testing positive at St. Marianna University Hospital (Kawasaki).
Although I had heard a lot about RAT tests in Australia, this 'Fast' PCR terminology was new to me, and could not be found in Western news sources prior to my checking into the hospital. I just did a bit checking, and Google turned up a couple of pay-to-play Fast-test sites for those wanting to do a bit of international air travel, but one of these claims to test by saliva, the other by nasal swabs.
I don't know about those 'Rapid' tests for would-be jet setters, but when the nurse at the hospital rammed that swab to tear-watering depth, I knew I was good to go because I still had a sense of smell. And I smelled money.
Statistically reliable or not, and with a bit of money or not, I don't think I'll be flying any time soon. I've done a quick search on whether Japanese pilots are required to be 'treated' by Big Pharma, and that information appears to be hidden in a black box. But I do know that all Australian pilots are either jabbed or unemployed. I think I'll just hang out in Japan for awhile longer. Working for public schools, I can't afford those private jets and pilots of the Davos crowd.
I can’t believe the US Gov tried to block her court case. Obviously they fully understand their was corrupt data. The EUA for Europe even says it doesn’t stop transmission yet every Gov across the globe suggested it did. ( and probably killed Nannas who believed it ) . The more you look the murkier it gets.
Grr….I typed a really long response and it did not submit! Making it short because I am just spent, but Dr. Nass is absolutely correct. My apologies, Mathew, that I was not more precise in my explanation tonight. Thank you, Dr. Nass!
The nasal swabs at Visit 1 & 2 went to Pfizer’s lab (Pearl River) where Cepheid’s RT-PCR or “other equivalent” NAAT-based test would be used to detect the virus. The protocol does not define what type of NAAT is used there, but it does define local NAAT results considered acceptable if taken during a SOC visit. We can talk more about this soon, maybe Friday. Remember I worked on Cepheid’s trials:)
Thanks for the clarification. I will publish an edit.
You are a hero!! Stay strong. We need you!!! ❤️
See I need to sleep….visit 1 and 2 AND at any time the subject developed an acute respiratory illness. There is more here too:)
Type in notes app then copy and paste over.
The Pfizer protocol claimed that most PCR tests would be sent to a central lab, but that some would be done locally using different tests, because when people in the trial got sick, they would need to be tested where they happened to be or live. I do not think Pfizer could control the PCR tests done, for example, at and by local hospitals.
However, if all the PCR tests on healthy people were performed by Pfizer, there is huge room for abuse, of course...and when you are talking about the most lucrative product in world history, if Pfizer had means, motive and opportunity... would it have committed the crime?
I will ask Brook about this the next time we talk. At this point, I'm not certain exactly how much I trust in documents. Frustratingly, that's part of the lesson of this moment---we have to dig so many levels to point out that the totalitarians have no clothes.
Interestingly, there are 2 versions of the protocol.
Both versions of the protocol can be found here : https://www.nejm.org/doi/suppl/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577/suppl_file/nejmoa2034577_protocol.pdf
The updated version (starting p.129) differs from the original version (p.3) when it comes to defining what PCR tests will be taken in account.
Section 8.1 (p.51 in the original protocol and p.191 in the amended version) was modified in order not to take PCR tests performed in local hospitals in account (unless no swab was analyzed by the central laboratory).
The original protocol accepted a positive test from either the central lab or a local hospital as a proof of Covid (well... only if the patient had symptoms, but that is another question); but the amended protocol states: "The central laboratory NAAT result will be used for the case definition, unless no result is available from the central laboratory, in which case a local NAAT result may be used (...)"
In both versions, the protocol states a swab must be sent to the central lab: "The assessments will include a nasal (midturbinate) swab, which will be tested at a central laboratory".
So the occurence of there not being an available result from the cental laboratory could only be rare, and in most cases, Pfizer could control the test results.
Whistleblowers are the guardians of our democracy we believed our once free press to be. Since Daniel Ellsberg with the Pentagon Papers whistleblowers have been the rock stars of my world.
"You have to start with the truth. The truth is the only way that we can get anywhere."
~ Julian Assange ~
uk govt are trying to clamp down with all sorts of new bills strangling independent journos and prevent them reporting whistle-blowers; as well as on policing, "legal but harmful" speech, human rights act and legal protest
When the time comes, you should collaborate with Jeff Childers and get C&C to do a fundraiser.
I don't know who Childers is, but if you pass me a link, I'll pass it on to Brook.
Childers does a (fantastic) daily blog of the daily news round up. It’s my only must read if I’m honest. He’s on a hiatus this week due to a jury trial but otherwise … not to be missed. https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/
Oh, that's Childers. I have read Coffee and Covid some (which is something as these days my dyslexic reading time is uber-stretched, and I mostly read research or people I know personally these days).
Jeff Childers does some great fundraisers for research
Mathew - Do you know Tessa Lena personally by any chance? She guest blogged for Jeff today and can make the introduction.
I know Tessa. We had her on our podcast once and she's coming back again soon.
Jeff is an attorney and his substack is quick shots of updates almost daily. He would be very interested in you. I can’t believe you don’t know each other. Time to connect!!!
Operation multiplier. Yes!!
The government simply cannot allow the parties to the suit to be deposed, or ultimately, to plead the fifth in court before a nation of vaccine injured... including liability lawyers.
That depends on the true goals of the people making that decision.
When Brooke wins and I hope she wins, she will dethrone my old boss as one of the biggest whistleblower cases in America. Chris Riedel was whistleblower of the year ~2011
https://i.imgur.com/A9CAtc0.jpg
Go Brook! I've just listened to Dr Dolores Cahill in an interview. Her approach is that we need individual suits to set a precedent that will enable others to go forward. For example a fetal death post vax that was not adequately investigated (no coroner's report etc) that can be proved to be caused by vax (she warns against even using terms like miscarriage or still birth - as these suggest a "natural" cause) thus sets a precedent for all subsequent deaths. I'm in Australia so it will be a different approach here.
"The government is three days behind in releasing Pfizer data!" - So the October 1st data drop didn't occur? Hmm. Paging Aaron Siri :)
Does discovery go under the same rules as FOI requests when it come to redaction? i.e. do they get to pick a choose what parts of documents to redact? If so, I can envisage a lot of totally blacked out pages, a la the Pfizer documents...
I don't have the legal knowledge to answer that, but I know judges can seal docs at times.
Redactions can apply to subgroups : general public, parties, etc.
Usually dictated by protective orders specific to the case (if my memory serves correctly).
Not a lawyer but I was involved in patent litigation where plaintiff party was precluded from viewing pre-trial infringement evidence due to protective order implemented to prevent **trade secret** dissemination.
Evidence was restricted by protective order to "attorney eyes only" (includes attorney paid technical consultants and expert witnesses).
Hi Mathew,
Did you know that Japan has a magic 'Fast PCR'? I might have mentioned this in another comment (maybe to Sage Hana), but late last month, I spent a week in the hospital for removal of a swollen thyroid gland.
During a consultation a month prior to checking in, the operating surgeon said that the scheduled operation would depend on himself, the anesthesiologists, and myself testing negative by PCR. A little worried because as the only native speaker of English for public schools in Kunitachi (West Tokyo), I come in close contact (hand-shaking, spitting distance) with over 600 school kids a week, over 2500 different kids during the year. And I am one of those evil SOBs who never even bothered to get tested at the height of the panic. Ivor Cummins had a funny video clip about that on YouTube under ''The Banality of Pure Evil, or Stupidity? Maybe Both - You Decide!!'' (Decided to not post the link directly because YouTube is now deleting links on substack to those posts and/or comments that do not meet YouTube's high standards regarding the narrative.)
At 67, I am supposedly in the high-risk category, though you'd never know it with the kabuki show of NPIs (non pharmaceutical interventions such as masking, disinfectants, distancing, etc.) ... I asked the doctor how that PCR test would determine the difference between me being sick and a potential spreader, and me having long since contracted a virus, and developed natural immunity through my own antibodies. He just grinned and said 'So desu!' — indicating that I had asked the right question, and he had no answer for it.
Come the day to check into the hospital, I was admitted, shown to my room, got into the hospital issued pajamas, issued a washcloth and towel, and taken for a tour of the amenities (rest room, shower, hot water, convenience store, etc.). They seemed pretty confident that though I was in a ''high-risk, likely contact'' category, I would not be testing positive or checking out of the hospital. Confident enough to had already accepted a little less than a thousand dollars from me as collateral in case there was some glitch in my health insurance policy.
It was not until some hours later that myself and 5 or 6 others in pajamas were shuttled into a room with folding chairs for about 30 people, each separated by about a meter.. A nurse came in and checked our height and weight, and then I was the first called to the front, surrounded by a portable screen partition, and had a nasal swab jabbed so deep in me, I thought she was testing for hemorrhoids.
We were told these were 'Fast PCRs' (between 20 and 30 minutes) ... no mention of RAT tests or other alternatives in either the spoken consultation or the written form ... and told that if the test came back positive, we would be contacted discretely (to protect our privacy of course) and escorted out of the hospital. To my knowledge ... though everything from goats to papaya to motor oil tested positive in Tanzania a couple of years ago, miraculously, nobody has been turned away from a scheduled operation because of testing positive at St. Marianna University Hospital (Kawasaki).
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2022/08/27/national/japan-coronavirus-counting-simplify/
Although I had heard a lot about RAT tests in Australia, this 'Fast' PCR terminology was new to me, and could not be found in Western news sources prior to my checking into the hospital. I just did a bit checking, and Google turned up a couple of pay-to-play Fast-test sites for those wanting to do a bit of international air travel, but one of these claims to test by saliva, the other by nasal swabs.
https://flycovidtestcenter.com/en/rapid-pcr/
https://snow-moon-flower.jp/en/rapid-pcr-test/
I don't know about those 'Rapid' tests for would-be jet setters, but when the nurse at the hospital rammed that swab to tear-watering depth, I knew I was good to go because I still had a sense of smell. And I smelled money.
Statistically reliable or not, and with a bit of money or not, I don't think I'll be flying any time soon. I've done a quick search on whether Japanese pilots are required to be 'treated' by Big Pharma, and that information appears to be hidden in a black box. But I do know that all Australian pilots are either jabbed or unemployed. I think I'll just hang out in Japan for awhile longer. Working for public schools, I can't afford those private jets and pilots of the Davos crowd.
Cheers Mathew,
— steve
Tests were done all over the world at trial sites all over the world. Central lab in each country, maybe.
I can’t believe the US Gov tried to block her court case. Obviously they fully understand their was corrupt data. The EUA for Europe even says it doesn’t stop transmission yet every Gov across the globe suggested it did. ( and probably killed Nannas who believed it ) . The more you look the murkier it gets.
Thank you Matthew! Great stuff as usual. This time not over my head!
read today that 9 out of 10 vax trials were conducted in China, https://naomiwolf.substack.com/p/lipid-nanoparticles-are-they-subtly. Search for Karen Kingston. Praying this case goes to court.
A judge is "deciding" whether or not to permit DUE PROCESS (discovery) in the case?
The government owns all the voting machines, Sequoia and the other companies just have operational contracts.