A long time ago when I first started out in ICU, docs could not believe I was a pharmacist. "you're too smart to be a pharmacist" "What a waste..here I will help you get into med school if you want. I know the dean"
But they cannot give you the credit for care to patients or other docs. Years ago we had a youngish patient with organizing type pneumonia from similar to that of Covid. I suggested a 24-48hr trial of steroids. The patient turned around fast and was extubated in 48hrs. They were all congratulating themselves. One resident said it must have been the steroids I prescribed. I reminded him who was the one with the idea. Oh yeah he said and shrugged his shoulders.
Even 30yrs later my resident came up with the cause of a young womans cyclical vomitting on her 3rd admission in 3 weeks. A history showed she used a lot of marijuana so likely hyperemesis cannabinoid syndrome. The attending physician disagreed IN THE CHART where we had written out a plan. Discharged the patient, then called the family doc and told them what to do for this syndrome.
They often cannot help themselves. They are taught they're the most intelligent, they are leaders, and more importantly, they have the responsibility for the health outcomes (even if you saved their behinds).
Many docs came to me in private and said I was the best thing that happened to the unit/hospital/program but WILL NOT say that to management, or other physician groups. I don't get it.
Also, your thots: as they roll out the next Fauci Freezer/Bill "Epstein Island" Gates next gambit, the avian bird flu, will HCQ work against that? I think most of us know that may well be next on their list to a.) push that WHO as world dictator treaty, b.) kill more of us with their next scam vax while raking billions more in from us poor, unwashed masses, and c.) cover their dollar implosion.
I suspect a lot of us might be interested in this. Thanks.
As a non medical person I had no idea pharmacists might be the smartest. But, then again, it is pretty clear now that doctors are not the smartest, so, yeah, maybe.
Our vaxxed vs. unvaxxed study (Paul Thomas' practice data) was retracted due to unsubstantiated HUB - they use it when it suits them. I then published this finding that the unvaccinated made their well-child visits with a greater fidelity than the vaccinated! https://popularrationalism.substack.com/p/new-study-from-ipak-results-shows Facts don't matter to clowns.
Matt. I’d like to add to this, the narcissistic patient is also a phenomenon. I hit so much frustration in my family with members who felt their doctors are “The Best”. TOP doctors of NYC and they are the smartest and therefore what I had to offer as grave concerns about the vaccines where nothing next to these brilliant doctors. I was being silly. I think I was actually told, “you really think you’re smarter than doctor blah blah?” There is no room to challenge these MDs or their groupies. I’m still waiting for family members to come back to me with any indication of how wrong they were to take those brilliant doctors advice. I managed to avoid the shots myself and save my daughter from them. But my son, old enough to make his own decision, I couldn’t convince and my husband lied to cut the line to get a shot. I took a tremendous amount of heat because this stupid doctors were so ignorantly sure and my family blindly BLINDLY went with it. I also challenged retired doctors in the friend sphere as they were participating in the email chains with the older generations. It got ugly but I felt they needed to be more careful with their general statements “the vaccines are safe, move along”. Their “friends” were listening as tho they have the inside track being friends with a DOCTOR. Or how Rhee doctors felt they were the authority to make these ignorant statements! Maddening how the doctor was so stubborn. Maddening how my family treated me like I wore a tin foil hat. Maddening that friends treated me like I had kooties furthering the vaccine lies. Yes. I’m still not over it. But people, and their willingness to elevate an MD to godlike status, is a real problem too. Great piece. I continue to work to tear down the walls of modern medicine (figuratively) in hopes to achieve some honesty and most important, REAL HEALTH in our society. My kids now realize I’m not so crazy after all.
Wow. I experienced exactly the same response from friends and family. I did study engineering at the MIT in the 1980's and I do a fair bit of reading/study in a number of areas. My brother looks at Fauci like he is a god. No kidding. He has been jabbed with all the shots. Three other family members with post-shot serious issues, heart & cancer - one who called me to ask my opinion about the shot ( run the other way!) and proceeded to get it the next day. It's a cult-like belief in people that have basically zero true knowledge. Let's hope the change you mention happens quickly for the sake of humanity. Peace. :-)
I have seen something similar. People want the doctor to “fix” them. It’s an attitude that requires blind faith. I also held out against family who all decided to trust the medical industry. I didn’t take it because I didn’t need it, never dreamed the shot was like Russian roulette.
Certainty is a commodity and is generally in high demand but short supply (especially in respects to the covid phenomenon). So, if someone offers certainty, it's wise to be skeptical but if they force it, then the alarm bells really need to go off because deference to expertise/authority can still get you killed, unfortunately.
I agree with you analysis, and having been assigned to teach medical students applied maths, and computing a couple of times during my university lecturer days, I saw how spoon fed with rote learning they were, and at the same time were drilled with a superiority complex putting them above all non-medical students [with the exception being Law students, who they saw as on a par, maybe]. From my perspective of today, having learned about childhood trauma, I definitely see that certain career choices have become self-selecting of specific trauma survival styles, and medical is an arch example of this https://garysharpe.substack.com/p/connections-between-career-choices
ps I find your observation that it is difficult to distinguish talking to a doctor from a chat-bot interesting and telling... :-)
There were two people who provided decent medical info during the lockdown:
Seheult and Campbell.
Seheult had videos banned for reasonable discussions of Hydroxychloroquine and other as forbidden topics and he just shrugged it off. He buried his head in the sand.
Campbell followed the evidence as the facts emerged and realized he and all us were being lied to, and spoke up. Campbell has gone from being well respected to being demonized.
Sadly most of the industry and the world follows the ostrich path.
I was about to point out the same about Seheult. I watched his and Campbell's early videos while disinfecting desks in my classroom on my lunch break. I had hope for HCQ and sought out other zinc ionophores and started temperature cycling in the shower and taking more vitamin D because of Seheult's discussion of the benefits. So I gave him the benefit of the doubt for a very long time. I think it was an hour long livestream he did talking about how safe the shots were that was full of mainstream assumptions and no evidence to support them when I finally unsubscribed. I nearly did the same with Campbell in 2021.
I got so tired of yelling at Campbell that I turned him off. I'm glad he woke up, but how many millions watched him and took the jab, immediately after he read evidence of its harms?
While I agree, that he spoke up is the real thing to praise. He trusted the medical establishment, believed them, and when it became clear they were lying, he didn't bury his head in the sand. He could have, like so many others.
Very true. While I am not happy about all the time he spent parroting the mainstream narrative, when he saw the evidence he followed the evidence, and that can take a great deal of courage. We don't just need people who can get it right the first time, we're all going to make mistakes, we need people who have the courage to admit it and try to fix it.
He is an honest person and a very brave man. He turned around when he realized he (and all of us) were lied to. Now he has become a bit of an anti covid vaxxer, attempting to undo some of the damage. And remember he walked the walk: he himself took three of the shots and wound up vaccine damaged.
One of my best supervisor/mentor/professors frequently made the statement that residency was not to teach us everything we needed to know, but to make us students for the rest of our lives. Not knowing what one doesn’t know, challenging one’s assumptions, and engaging in critical thinking is essential to be an effective physician.
It has saddened me over the years watching the practice of various fields of medicine be turned into checklist diagnosis & “consensus guidelines” treatment. Thinking is removed. Technology has certainly contributed to this, as docs rely more on sophisticated (and expensive!) tests & imaging technologies, and less on LISTENING TO THE PATIENT! The best teaching docs were like Sherlock Holmes: they would ask observe, ask questions, and listen. In teaching rounds they would discuss the nuances of their brief exam and most of the time correctly diagnose the patient BEFORE the confirmatory labs were performed.
As an aside, we had an entire course in biostatistics - I assumed everyone did! As an engineer I loved seeing medicine through the lens of mathematics, but never lost sight that I was dealing with an individual. Turns out I am an anomaly!
But then again, I have been an “off-grid”, out of the mainstream doc for 20+ years! I have not actually had a conversation with a drug rep in many years, although I did have one drop of a card some months ago. Apparently she ignored the “Pharma blacklist” - yes, Pharma has a database that details ALL of our prescribing habits. It is a blessing to me as they don’t waste their time, my prescribing habits make it clear I don’t jump on every new trend.
I agree with the thrust of your point, but with the right caveat: we should judge earnest experiments as such. We should clearly not stigmatized those participating in the grand confederation of experiments.
When I went to medical school here in the U.K. 35 years ago I was unusually allowed in with A levels in Maths, Further Maths, Physics and Chemistry but not Biology. I noticed that my fellow classmates were hopeless at maths and hated anything that vaguely resembled it ( which bizarrely was pharmacology). I would never be allowed in these days - but perhaps more non biologists should ( after all Biology is just vast quantities of learning which I hated which is why I didn’t do it!).
as an advanced practice pharmacist, I agree. Yes, they hate math, think kinetics is a joke and then we have to bail them out when they screw up the dose or the choice of drug. It is sad.
Perhaps you've stumbled upon the true significance of medical school and college debt. How much more docile the serfs when saddled with the responsibility of student loans and the threat of financial ruin. Certainly impetus to 'tow the line' until you have dependents and then door is closed for another 30 years...
Even when holding up a mirror, he will never see his true self. This is the curse of a true narcissist. I vividly remember my rotation in med school in psychiatry and discussing how you could not convince certain patients that they weren’t Napoleon or Jesus by logical arguments( a psychotic disorder).I truly believe narcissists are on that spectrum and gravitate to some occupations ( politics? ) more than others( head of NIH?).
Hmmm.. as a long time nurse... many doctors I worked with were all about believing what they’re told. They’re to blame for the oxy endemic... they’ll go with the majority on anything
It's their training I think.
A long time ago when I first started out in ICU, docs could not believe I was a pharmacist. "you're too smart to be a pharmacist" "What a waste..here I will help you get into med school if you want. I know the dean"
But they cannot give you the credit for care to patients or other docs. Years ago we had a youngish patient with organizing type pneumonia from similar to that of Covid. I suggested a 24-48hr trial of steroids. The patient turned around fast and was extubated in 48hrs. They were all congratulating themselves. One resident said it must have been the steroids I prescribed. I reminded him who was the one with the idea. Oh yeah he said and shrugged his shoulders.
Even 30yrs later my resident came up with the cause of a young womans cyclical vomitting on her 3rd admission in 3 weeks. A history showed she used a lot of marijuana so likely hyperemesis cannabinoid syndrome. The attending physician disagreed IN THE CHART where we had written out a plan. Discharged the patient, then called the family doc and told them what to do for this syndrome.
They often cannot help themselves. They are taught they're the most intelligent, they are leaders, and more importantly, they have the responsibility for the health outcomes (even if you saved their behinds).
Many docs came to me in private and said I was the best thing that happened to the unit/hospital/program but WILL NOT say that to management, or other physician groups. I don't get it.
Maria, it is PRECISELY people like you that, if we win, will be the honest, caring, compassionate people that allow us to win.
May God bless you in your work
If we could find a way to put the Marias in the right positions, community regulation would simply work.
As a RN in the ICU I relied on pharmacists. And we had to team up on the group think of anointed,
Truer words were never spoken. Yes, if the nurse and pharmacist teamed up, these anointed didn't have a chance. And that was pretty often. Good times.
Also, your thots: as they roll out the next Fauci Freezer/Bill "Epstein Island" Gates next gambit, the avian bird flu, will HCQ work against that? I think most of us know that may well be next on their list to a.) push that WHO as world dictator treaty, b.) kill more of us with their next scam vax while raking billions more in from us poor, unwashed masses, and c.) cover their dollar implosion.
I suspect a lot of us might be interested in this. Thanks.
"I don't get it." - I do. They are spineless cowards who whore themselves for the pharma cartel to collect a paycheck.
Having worked with numerous clinician types, I can say that clinical pharmacists are among (if not THE) smartest.
That's very kind of you. Thank you. Means a lot.
As a non medical person I had no idea pharmacists might be the smartest. But, then again, it is pretty clear now that doctors are not the smartest, so, yeah, maybe.
It is not without reason that Pride is traditionally the worst of the 7 capital sins.
Our vaxxed vs. unvaxxed study (Paul Thomas' practice data) was retracted due to unsubstantiated HUB - they use it when it suits them. I then published this finding that the unvaccinated made their well-child visits with a greater fidelity than the vaccinated! https://popularrationalism.substack.com/p/new-study-from-ipak-results-shows Facts don't matter to clowns.
Matt. I’d like to add to this, the narcissistic patient is also a phenomenon. I hit so much frustration in my family with members who felt their doctors are “The Best”. TOP doctors of NYC and they are the smartest and therefore what I had to offer as grave concerns about the vaccines where nothing next to these brilliant doctors. I was being silly. I think I was actually told, “you really think you’re smarter than doctor blah blah?” There is no room to challenge these MDs or their groupies. I’m still waiting for family members to come back to me with any indication of how wrong they were to take those brilliant doctors advice. I managed to avoid the shots myself and save my daughter from them. But my son, old enough to make his own decision, I couldn’t convince and my husband lied to cut the line to get a shot. I took a tremendous amount of heat because this stupid doctors were so ignorantly sure and my family blindly BLINDLY went with it. I also challenged retired doctors in the friend sphere as they were participating in the email chains with the older generations. It got ugly but I felt they needed to be more careful with their general statements “the vaccines are safe, move along”. Their “friends” were listening as tho they have the inside track being friends with a DOCTOR. Or how Rhee doctors felt they were the authority to make these ignorant statements! Maddening how the doctor was so stubborn. Maddening how my family treated me like I wore a tin foil hat. Maddening that friends treated me like I had kooties furthering the vaccine lies. Yes. I’m still not over it. But people, and their willingness to elevate an MD to godlike status, is a real problem too. Great piece. I continue to work to tear down the walls of modern medicine (figuratively) in hopes to achieve some honesty and most important, REAL HEALTH in our society. My kids now realize I’m not so crazy after all.
Wow. I experienced exactly the same response from friends and family. I did study engineering at the MIT in the 1980's and I do a fair bit of reading/study in a number of areas. My brother looks at Fauci like he is a god. No kidding. He has been jabbed with all the shots. Three other family members with post-shot serious issues, heart & cancer - one who called me to ask my opinion about the shot ( run the other way!) and proceeded to get it the next day. It's a cult-like belief in people that have basically zero true knowledge. Let's hope the change you mention happens quickly for the sake of humanity. Peace. :-)
I guess they don't call it culling out the herd for no reason. Sorry, not sorry, I have no sympathy for these people.
I have seen something similar. People want the doctor to “fix” them. It’s an attitude that requires blind faith. I also held out against family who all decided to trust the medical industry. I didn’t take it because I didn’t need it, never dreamed the shot was like Russian roulette.
Certainty is a commodity and is generally in high demand but short supply (especially in respects to the covid phenomenon). So, if someone offers certainty, it's wise to be skeptical but if they force it, then the alarm bells really need to go off because deference to expertise/authority can still get you killed, unfortunately.
I agree with you analysis, and having been assigned to teach medical students applied maths, and computing a couple of times during my university lecturer days, I saw how spoon fed with rote learning they were, and at the same time were drilled with a superiority complex putting them above all non-medical students [with the exception being Law students, who they saw as on a par, maybe]. From my perspective of today, having learned about childhood trauma, I definitely see that certain career choices have become self-selecting of specific trauma survival styles, and medical is an arch example of this https://garysharpe.substack.com/p/connections-between-career-choices
ps I find your observation that it is difficult to distinguish talking to a doctor from a chat-bot interesting and telling... :-)
There were two people who provided decent medical info during the lockdown:
Seheult and Campbell.
Seheult had videos banned for reasonable discussions of Hydroxychloroquine and other as forbidden topics and he just shrugged it off. He buried his head in the sand.
Campbell followed the evidence as the facts emerged and realized he and all us were being lied to, and spoke up. Campbell has gone from being well respected to being demonized.
Sadly most of the industry and the world follows the ostrich path.
I was about to point out the same about Seheult. I watched his and Campbell's early videos while disinfecting desks in my classroom on my lunch break. I had hope for HCQ and sought out other zinc ionophores and started temperature cycling in the shower and taking more vitamin D because of Seheult's discussion of the benefits. So I gave him the benefit of the doubt for a very long time. I think it was an hour long livestream he did talking about how safe the shots were that was full of mainstream assumptions and no evidence to support them when I finally unsubscribed. I nearly did the same with Campbell in 2021.
I got so tired of yelling at Campbell that I turned him off. I'm glad he woke up, but how many millions watched him and took the jab, immediately after he read evidence of its harms?
While I agree, that he spoke up is the real thing to praise. He trusted the medical establishment, believed them, and when it became clear they were lying, he didn't bury his head in the sand. He could have, like so many others.
Very true. While I am not happy about all the time he spent parroting the mainstream narrative, when he saw the evidence he followed the evidence, and that can take a great deal of courage. We don't just need people who can get it right the first time, we're all going to make mistakes, we need people who have the courage to admit it and try to fix it.
He is an honest person and a very brave man. He turned around when he realized he (and all of us) were lied to. Now he has become a bit of an anti covid vaxxer, attempting to undo some of the damage. And remember he walked the walk: he himself took three of the shots and wound up vaccine damaged.
Excellent points.
These doctors can stay at “ the peak of mount stupid” only because there is no shortage of equally stupid ( and trusting) patients.
That is a valid observation. Blind trust is a killer.
One of my best supervisor/mentor/professors frequently made the statement that residency was not to teach us everything we needed to know, but to make us students for the rest of our lives. Not knowing what one doesn’t know, challenging one’s assumptions, and engaging in critical thinking is essential to be an effective physician.
It has saddened me over the years watching the practice of various fields of medicine be turned into checklist diagnosis & “consensus guidelines” treatment. Thinking is removed. Technology has certainly contributed to this, as docs rely more on sophisticated (and expensive!) tests & imaging technologies, and less on LISTENING TO THE PATIENT! The best teaching docs were like Sherlock Holmes: they would ask observe, ask questions, and listen. In teaching rounds they would discuss the nuances of their brief exam and most of the time correctly diagnose the patient BEFORE the confirmatory labs were performed.
As an aside, we had an entire course in biostatistics - I assumed everyone did! As an engineer I loved seeing medicine through the lens of mathematics, but never lost sight that I was dealing with an individual. Turns out I am an anomaly!
But then again, I have been an “off-grid”, out of the mainstream doc for 20+ years! I have not actually had a conversation with a drug rep in many years, although I did have one drop of a card some months ago. Apparently she ignored the “Pharma blacklist” - yes, Pharma has a database that details ALL of our prescribing habits. It is a blessing to me as they don’t waste their time, my prescribing habits make it clear I don’t jump on every new trend.
This is 100% correct. Old docs were true experts in physical diagnosis.
Imo we need to de stigmatize being wrong to advance our civilization. Or just to advance scientific understanding. Wrong is informative.
I agree with the thrust of your point, but with the right caveat: we should judge earnest experiments as such. We should clearly not stigmatized those participating in the grand confederation of experiments.
Or stigmatize those w blinders on.
TV docs... deep down all they want is the spot light.
I'm happy to give him every opportunity to use the spot light in the most productive way.
https://youtu.be/fbMKjLe-RFA seems to be a major issue with a lot of “authorities”
When I went to medical school here in the U.K. 35 years ago I was unusually allowed in with A levels in Maths, Further Maths, Physics and Chemistry but not Biology. I noticed that my fellow classmates were hopeless at maths and hated anything that vaguely resembled it ( which bizarrely was pharmacology). I would never be allowed in these days - but perhaps more non biologists should ( after all Biology is just vast quantities of learning which I hated which is why I didn’t do it!).
as an advanced practice pharmacist, I agree. Yes, they hate math, think kinetics is a joke and then we have to bail them out when they screw up the dose or the choice of drug. It is sad.
This reminds me of "medsplaining" , instead of mansplaining - how women are dismissed by certain MDs for women's issues (it's all in your head)
https://romanshapoval.substack.com/p/hysteria
Perhaps you've stumbled upon the true significance of medical school and college debt. How much more docile the serfs when saddled with the responsibility of student loans and the threat of financial ruin. Certainly impetus to 'tow the line' until you have dependents and then door is closed for another 30 years...
Another example Matthew of why I am a paying member! You’re worth every penny!😇👏👏👏🥰
I am grateful and blessed by your support.
Even when holding up a mirror, he will never see his true self. This is the curse of a true narcissist. I vividly remember my rotation in med school in psychiatry and discussing how you could not convince certain patients that they weren’t Napoleon or Jesus by logical arguments( a psychotic disorder).I truly believe narcissists are on that spectrum and gravitate to some occupations ( politics? ) more than others( head of NIH?).
He should Cram it!
Ha ha ha. Perfect. Peace. :-)
Hmmm.. as a long time nurse... many doctors I worked with were all about believing what they’re told. They’re to blame for the oxy endemic... they’ll go with the majority on anything