Like Kate, I have neither the interest nor the comprehension level, nor the attention span to verify all of this math, but there are multiple ways to know these people are full of shit. You approach such problems from a mathematical angle. I approach them from mechanistic ones.
I haven't kept track of the modern personalities, but this is a saga that goes back many decades.
Big Oil Medicine requires being constantly propped up by psychopaths, and probably at least 40% of the population is now onto the game. Only the university graduates and other useful idiots are still true believers in it at this point.
The ruse has been going on for a century and cannot go on much longer, both because too many people are onto the fraud and because the con is so huge that it's beginning to hurt themselves. They've been at this game for a LONG time and have typically been successful.
But I believe we're reaching the endpoint now. (Perhaps I'm deluded and hope simply springs eternal.)
If you're interested in a short story about the orchestrated takedown of vitamin C and Linus Pauling many decades ago by Gorski types, I wrote a short story with dozens of peer-reviewed references about that. I provide this for historical reference with regard to the utility of vitamin C in treating other diseases.
Love this article..I'm so fed up with our healthcare system. Government agencies have ruined it in my opinion. We need to pay more attention to this kind of information.
I have to say that much of your critique of Kyle Sheldrick is beyond my interest and comprehension level, but that’s okay because I can conclude his opinions are worthless just by considering his tweet at the beginning of the article and that he put Mr. Marik’s name in quotation marks.
This. Also, why do these people always have the sort of expression that makes one want to grab them by the hair at the back of their head and slam their face into the table?
A semi-smirk on a person's face is major "tell" for lack of objectivity. Probably because they smirk fully frequently when they encounter something they don't like. Their habit is to be reactive without wanting to understand the entire picture. On the positive side a real sociopath would probably disguise his biased tendencies better.
Full disclosure: my math skills just about allow me to balance my checkbook, but not much more, but your skill at explaining complex math is incredible. The one thing that has puzzled me throughout all of this manufactured controversy about HCQ and IVM is that I would think that, if these drugs were so dangerous at worst and ineffective at best, those who were either harmed or not helped by them would be sounding the alarms themselves. Knowing how much the MSM is opposed to these drugs, I would also think those victimized, or their survivors, would gladly be given a forum to tell their stories. Yet I don't hear of them. Puzzling. It's not a surprise that those helped have no viable means to share their success - even Joe Rogan's story is called into question. Where is a regular Joe supposed to go to tell his? But someone who died in their sleep after taking Ivermectin? Haven't heard of one yet.
I agree 100% because I have used ivermectin prophylactically myself & 4 other family members have also for months. It literally kept my daughter & her boyfriend out of the hospital when they had delta. My daughter didn't take anything until the 4th day, & was getting progressively worse. After 1 dose of ivermectin, her high fever broke, lungs stopped burning, headache almost gone, & she was able to get up out of bed. I wasn't expecting that remarkable of a result. Her boyfriend took the ivermectin the day he felt a sore throat & he never got anything more than fatigue & mild symptoms. He has major health issues that put him at very high risk of dying when he caught it. I'd read about the great results and benefits of HCQ, ivermectin, plus other early treatments-- but seeing it work definitely made a believer out of me. I am convinced because I've seen it. My daughter recovered with no long haul symptoms or health issues. Her boyfriend recovered with no lingering health issues. Neither are jabbed because my daughter has severe allergies & her boyfriend has heart trouble, previous history of blood clots that led to a stroke, & an artificial heart valve. Now they have natural immunity. Ivermectin works. Not one of us has had any side effects from it whatsoever...
“Why would anyone fake a nonessential aspect of a paper like this?”
I think his thinking is that the imagined fraudsters didn’t understand why their non-balanced study design “wouldn’t default to balance” (when in fact it would, though not this much, though an “unlikely” level of balance is actually more likely than a likely one as you point out).
It really is surprising that he didn’t consider just thinking about the issue on an intuitive level or just checking some other unpaired related diagnosis cohort study examples. That was the first thing I did, to make sure I wasn’t crazy. I think confidence in the fraudulence of the paper (the main finding is certainly hard to swallow) led him not to consider the null hypothesis. What a cringey nightmare.
I just looked through your list of substacks and found the paper that you wrote which is included in the book on the results of early treatment in Imperial County CA. There is an great interview with you and George and Bryan which I have posted many places.
Thank you for this ongoing dialogue on micro clots and in particular their relation to long Covid.
Several of the comments have recommended various treatments like IVM, HCQ, supplements, etc.
First a question: if a patient is given early treatment and does not go to the hospital, will they NOT get long covid?
In particular, given that the doctors in Imperial County have treated 10,000 covid patients (treated before day 7 of getting covid) and none have gone to the hospital, do you know what percent have long covid? Are the results better when treatment is given in “the golden 72 hours” after covid begins?
If you don’t know the the results in Imperial Valley, it would be easier for you to find out than a layperson like me. Here is an excellent interview. When book written they were at 7,000 successful treatments and no hospitalizations.
There are many early treatment protocols. My favorites are from flccc.net. Is there any data that if a person uses these as preventative treatment, then if they do get covid, they have a lower chance, or possibly they avoid all together getting long haul covid?
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JoelSHirschhorn
March 24, 2022
You ask some great questions, but I have not seen any data indicating whether people who get good early treatment end up with long COVID; but I suspect that such early treatments that stop viral replication early probably prevent long COVID. We surely need some research on this issue. "
Yesterday I sent this to George Fareed.
Can something be learned from the experience in Imperial Valley with early treatment?
God bless you! You and Kirsch and the good folks at FLCCC have kept me sane during the last 2 years. Your keen intellect and dedication to scientific integrity is appreciated.
Indeed, when you look around you and nothing makes any sense and you start to think that everybody must be insane, the thought that most insane people think this same thought does come up... it has been reassuring to find authoritative voices online that confirm my own beliefs and less thorough analysis.
You think he’s gonna meet you for a debate after this sizzling dunk? Thanks for distilling stats from a few different perspectives, I think I’m finally starting to understand some of it. At least that Dr. Rollergater run-on joke on twitter about p values is making a lot more sense.
Very good write-up, unfortunately as we all already know the level of statistical knowledge in the field of medical research is abysmal and the average "yeah bro" researcher buddies of Kyle won't understand 1% of what you wrote here. I have tried having discussions about the flaws in the statistical interpretations of people like the fool running this ironically title website: https://forbetterscience.com/ (LEONID SCHNEIDER) which appears to be a shameless copy of this similarly ironically titled website: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/ (seems to be the baby of David H. Gorski).
The one thing both of these sites have in common is that they are run by people that think (or at least pretend) to know complex statistical concepts, but turn out to only know some slang, acronyms and amusing oversimplified rules to follow without knowing why. When confronted online they go into circular arguments that eventually turn into name-calling and appeal to authority.
I have specifically wasted many hours of my life on such discussions about the vitamin C for sepsis studies - amazing how the same strategies were employed to discredit it as with repurposed drugs for COVID.
The sad thing is that these Muppet overlords have such a large and extremely dedicated following of Muppet acolytes that will throw any number of jargon and slogan like phrases (such as their favorite one: GiGo haha! which can apparently be used to disregard any amount of evidence) at anybody questioning the voracity of their supreme leaders' academic observations, but when questioned further they get their feeling hurt because they feel like you were "mansplaining" without even knowing the person on the other end of the conversation was female... anyways, going into rant mode again :)
"If Sheldrick weren't such a douchenozzle"
Always appreciate the use of technically accurate terminology!
Thank you for saying so. I looked up five papers before deciding that I understood the term well enough to use it.
That one made me laugh too.
I can only score him 9/10 since he should have said Sheldick....
Universal Mathematical functions will be (re)defined by the ministry of truth To generate a better collective understanding.😜
Mathematical functions are racist and bigoted!
heh heh
Like Kate, I have neither the interest nor the comprehension level, nor the attention span to verify all of this math, but there are multiple ways to know these people are full of shit. You approach such problems from a mathematical angle. I approach them from mechanistic ones.
I haven't kept track of the modern personalities, but this is a saga that goes back many decades.
Big Oil Medicine requires being constantly propped up by psychopaths, and probably at least 40% of the population is now onto the game. Only the university graduates and other useful idiots are still true believers in it at this point.
The ruse has been going on for a century and cannot go on much longer, both because too many people are onto the fraud and because the con is so huge that it's beginning to hurt themselves. They've been at this game for a LONG time and have typically been successful.
But I believe we're reaching the endpoint now. (Perhaps I'm deluded and hope simply springs eternal.)
If you're interested in a short story about the orchestrated takedown of vitamin C and Linus Pauling many decades ago by Gorski types, I wrote a short story with dozens of peer-reviewed references about that. I provide this for historical reference with regard to the utility of vitamin C in treating other diseases.
https://themariachiyears.substack.com/p/modern-ignorance-and-ancient-wisdom-8c1?s=w
Love this article..I'm so fed up with our healthcare system. Government agencies have ruined it in my opinion. We need to pay more attention to this kind of information.
I think we are going to return to the “old ways” that work, whether some like it or not.
I have to say that much of your critique of Kyle Sheldrick is beyond my interest and comprehension level, but that’s okay because I can conclude his opinions are worthless just by considering his tweet at the beginning of the article and that he put Mr. Marik’s name in quotation marks.
This. Also, why do these people always have the sort of expression that makes one want to grab them by the hair at the back of their head and slam their face into the table?
Paraphrasing Sam Kinneson: "I don't agree with violent people but I can sure UNDERSTAND them".
First time commenting, not a lot makes me laugh out loud, this did
A semi-smirk on a person's face is major "tell" for lack of objectivity. Probably because they smirk fully frequently when they encounter something they don't like. Their habit is to be reactive without wanting to understand the entire picture. On the positive side a real sociopath would probably disguise his biased tendencies better.
Not violent enough, Monica.
Full disclosure: my math skills just about allow me to balance my checkbook, but not much more, but your skill at explaining complex math is incredible. The one thing that has puzzled me throughout all of this manufactured controversy about HCQ and IVM is that I would think that, if these drugs were so dangerous at worst and ineffective at best, those who were either harmed or not helped by them would be sounding the alarms themselves. Knowing how much the MSM is opposed to these drugs, I would also think those victimized, or their survivors, would gladly be given a forum to tell their stories. Yet I don't hear of them. Puzzling. It's not a surprise that those helped have no viable means to share their success - even Joe Rogan's story is called into question. Where is a regular Joe supposed to go to tell his? But someone who died in their sleep after taking Ivermectin? Haven't heard of one yet.
You make a great point.
I agree 100% because I have used ivermectin prophylactically myself & 4 other family members have also for months. It literally kept my daughter & her boyfriend out of the hospital when they had delta. My daughter didn't take anything until the 4th day, & was getting progressively worse. After 1 dose of ivermectin, her high fever broke, lungs stopped burning, headache almost gone, & she was able to get up out of bed. I wasn't expecting that remarkable of a result. Her boyfriend took the ivermectin the day he felt a sore throat & he never got anything more than fatigue & mild symptoms. He has major health issues that put him at very high risk of dying when he caught it. I'd read about the great results and benefits of HCQ, ivermectin, plus other early treatments-- but seeing it work definitely made a believer out of me. I am convinced because I've seen it. My daughter recovered with no long haul symptoms or health issues. Her boyfriend recovered with no lingering health issues. Neither are jabbed because my daughter has severe allergies & her boyfriend has heart trouble, previous history of blood clots that led to a stroke, & an artificial heart valve. Now they have natural immunity. Ivermectin works. Not one of us has had any side effects from it whatsoever...
Thank you for this! The people behind these attacks vex me the most. They are the banality of evil. Using their gifts for harm rather than good.
Ouch, what a takedown. This is a real war of information and knowledge, and I sure am glad Mathew is on our side.
“Why would anyone fake a nonessential aspect of a paper like this?”
I think his thinking is that the imagined fraudsters didn’t understand why their non-balanced study design “wouldn’t default to balance” (when in fact it would, though not this much, though an “unlikely” level of balance is actually more likely than a likely one as you point out).
It really is surprising that he didn’t consider just thinking about the issue on an intuitive level or just checking some other unpaired related diagnosis cohort study examples. That was the first thing I did, to make sure I wasn’t crazy. I think confidence in the fraudulence of the paper (the main finding is certainly hard to swallow) led him not to consider the null hypothesis. What a cringey nightmare.
I wish you had been my math teacher.
Great stuff Mathew, glad you came back to it!
I just looked through your list of substacks and found the paper that you wrote which is included in the book on the results of early treatment in Imperial County CA. There is an great interview with you and George and Bryan which I have posted many places.
https://trialsitenews.com/meet-the-author-overcoming-the-covid-darkness/
A recent paper in Trial Site News is on Long Covid.
"COVID Pandemic Lives on as Long COVID Ailment"
https://trialsitenews.com/covid-pandemic-lives-on-as-long-covid-ailment/
Here is what I asked the author and his response:
" DonMidwest
March 24, 2022
Dear Dr. Hirshhorn,
Thank you for this ongoing dialogue on micro clots and in particular their relation to long Covid.
Several of the comments have recommended various treatments like IVM, HCQ, supplements, etc.
First a question: if a patient is given early treatment and does not go to the hospital, will they NOT get long covid?
In particular, given that the doctors in Imperial County have treated 10,000 covid patients (treated before day 7 of getting covid) and none have gone to the hospital, do you know what percent have long covid? Are the results better when treatment is given in “the golden 72 hours” after covid begins?
If you don’t know the the results in Imperial Valley, it would be easier for you to find out than a layperson like me. Here is an excellent interview. When book written they were at 7,000 successful treatments and no hospitalizations.
https://trialsitenews.com/meet-the-author-overcoming-the-covid-darkness/
There are many early treatment protocols. My favorites are from flccc.net. Is there any data that if a person uses these as preventative treatment, then if they do get covid, they have a lower chance, or possibly they avoid all together getting long haul covid?
Reply
JoelSHirschhorn
March 24, 2022
You ask some great questions, but I have not seen any data indicating whether people who get good early treatment end up with long COVID; but I suspect that such early treatments that stop viral replication early probably prevent long COVID. We surely need some research on this issue. "
Yesterday I sent this to George Fareed.
Can something be learned from the experience in Imperial Valley with early treatment?
I hope you have forwarded this to Dr Marek.
He has seen it, yes.
God bless you! You and Kirsch and the good folks at FLCCC have kept me sane during the last 2 years. Your keen intellect and dedication to scientific integrity is appreciated.
Indeed, when you look around you and nothing makes any sense and you start to think that everybody must be insane, the thought that most insane people think this same thought does come up... it has been reassuring to find authoritative voices online that confirm my own beliefs and less thorough analysis.
You think he’s gonna meet you for a debate after this sizzling dunk? Thanks for distilling stats from a few different perspectives, I think I’m finally starting to understand some of it. At least that Dr. Rollergater run-on joke on twitter about p values is making a lot more sense.
Good job, and thanks
Very good write-up, unfortunately as we all already know the level of statistical knowledge in the field of medical research is abysmal and the average "yeah bro" researcher buddies of Kyle won't understand 1% of what you wrote here. I have tried having discussions about the flaws in the statistical interpretations of people like the fool running this ironically title website: https://forbetterscience.com/ (LEONID SCHNEIDER) which appears to be a shameless copy of this similarly ironically titled website: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/ (seems to be the baby of David H. Gorski).
The one thing both of these sites have in common is that they are run by people that think (or at least pretend) to know complex statistical concepts, but turn out to only know some slang, acronyms and amusing oversimplified rules to follow without knowing why. When confronted online they go into circular arguments that eventually turn into name-calling and appeal to authority.
I have specifically wasted many hours of my life on such discussions about the vitamin C for sepsis studies - amazing how the same strategies were employed to discredit it as with repurposed drugs for COVID.
Gorski is one of the most pernicious Muppets in the long history of medical Muppetry.
The sad thing is that these Muppet overlords have such a large and extremely dedicated following of Muppet acolytes that will throw any number of jargon and slogan like phrases (such as their favorite one: GiGo haha! which can apparently be used to disregard any amount of evidence) at anybody questioning the voracity of their supreme leaders' academic observations, but when questioned further they get their feeling hurt because they feel like you were "mansplaining" without even knowing the person on the other end of the conversation was female... anyways, going into rant mode again :)