Honestly, this is the only explanation for the irrational times in which we live. I was a good liberal who fought the "Republican" neo-con and Wall St. war criminals of the W. Bush years. The State Dept Cables and other Wikileaks drops opened my eyes to the fact that The Kerry/Clinton/Obama and Democratic establishment were also aligned with these dark centers of power. If the DNC's outright destruction of the Sanders campaign in 2016, along with the ridiculous 2 year Russia collusion circus didn't open the eyes of the "Left" I don't know what will. Though I don't philosophically agree with much of the "Right," I feel that they are much more attuned to the dangers of authoritarianism, censorship, and mandates at this time in American history. They missed their turn to stand up to their own leaders regarding the Patriot Act, financial malfeasance, and imperialist wars. Now the Left is missing their chance to stop the madness that surrounds everything COVID.
The Republicans elected Bush family presidents for 12 years, or 20 if you count Reagan shadowed by a Bush and a Brzezinski.
The Kunlangeta have owned the Oval Office for a long time. The more of us step away from their captured political parties and stop using manipulated terms of "right/left", the sooner we will build a healthy human kingdom.
Witnessing sanity lifts my spirits. Thank you! I am glad that there are still enough of us that I don't feel totally alone, despite being outnumbered by what I term "conformationists" in many areas of my life.
Not all humans are as gregarious as chimps and gorillas though. Some of us are more like the Orangutans, living a more solitary life, especially once the kids are grown. I think that makes us less prone to groupthink.
I can understand. It is healthier to have a community, in my humble opinion. Evolutionary stability would dictate as much, which is exactly why attacks on community formation and structure are so horrific. But many of those who remain capable of disobedience in the age of Humans Who Love Their Slavery are those who at some point chose not to have a chief in mind.
I have a small community, but no chief. There are lots of people whose opinions I value and respect, though. I do take advice, but I can’t put all my trust in a chief and follow blindly. They may not be exactly what you mean by a chief of leader, however.
Even today, HCQ is almost never mentioned as being beneficial to covid patients- except by doctors (like Drs. Fareed and Tyson) who used it to treat covid successfully for *thousands* of patients. The evidence for HCQ benefit is at least as strong as (if not stronger than) Ivermectin.
The media stranglehold on the minds of Americans is nearly absolute! And you are right- they used divided attitudes on Trump to conceal the benefits of HCQ.
The evidence is much, much stronger than for IVM. When you focus on the PrEP and early treatment studies that did not focus on patients with autoimmune disorders, 71 of 74 showed the treatment arm outperforming no treatment or placebo.
Guy told me the other day that just drinking tonic water (within quinine in it, you see) would be as effective as HCQ. Know anything about that, anyone?
You would have to drink numerous cups of tonic water daily, and make sure to know the dosing versus the type you buy. Needless math and risk. There are simpler solutions, pardon the pun.
If you choose quinine over all other options (I personally wouldn't if I had full choices), you could still just buy in pill form.
Thank you for that, Mathew. No, I'm not thinking of using it. If I think it necessary I guess I can get HCQ from somewhere if I want it. I just wanted to know.
If I drank numerous cups of tonic water I'd be tempted to mix in some Gilbeys or something.
Thanks for the tip about pill quinine though.
The 'simpler solutions' ? Not to distract you from your central tasks/interests. Along the lines of IVM and D with melatonin (i.e. from sunshine) etc.. perhaps?
You're very busy. I won't take it amiss if you don't answer. :)
Check out the studies at c19study.com Oh, its not there, but Quercetin is, and that is available to all. Why not listen to the doctors, and not a "guy"?
I seek information - you think I shouldn't? A doctor IS 'a guy' and some of THOSE guys are and have been for two years disseminating bullshit. Many 'guys' are supremely more knowledgeable, compassionate, helpful, public spirited than doctors.
Why? Because doctors are just 'guys'.
We all are.
A big problem in our termite society is a lack of humanity. We define ourselves according to our 'jobs'. I AM a plumber. I AM a doctor. and so on.
No. You are a man with some training that serves you perhaps well, perhaps not, that you understand well, perhaps not and so on..
I will listen to 'guys' all my life, thank you, because I see things that way and am deeply suspicious of those that don't.
Back to the question: anyone know anything about quinine vis a vis HCQ?
I find for myself that the chemical structure was altered to HCQ in order to obviate some side effects or such.
But I currently find nothing to indicate the level of protection from covid or similar respiratory illnesses and I would like to know that. Any guys out there got any info?
Vast, untold sums of money have been put into researching, developing and refining psychological techniques such as this one by PR companies like Hill + Knowlton and behavioral science teams and think tanks such as Britain's Nudge Unit and the Tavistock Institute. Govt money has then been used to bring them on board for state uses. I'm sure the WEF have their fingers in many of these pies. The pandemic, pivoting into the Ukraine overnight, the entire list of behavioral engineering over the past three years (and many before) was due to years of this research, planning and execution. How else would you account for something so toxic to be thought of as safe and effective? How else would a parent harm and murder their own child?
Fifty or sixty years ago my father told me that the best psychologists were the ones working for the New York advertising agencies. It still seems true and it would be interesting to see how much the government propaganda departments overlap with the Madison Avenue players.
Honestly, this is the only explanation for the irrational times in which we live. I was a good liberal who fought the "Republican" neo-con and Wall St. war criminals of the W. Bush years. The State Dept Cables and other Wikileaks drops opened my eyes to the fact that The Kerry/Clinton/Obama and Democratic establishment were also aligned with these dark centers of power. If the DNC's outright destruction of the Sanders campaign in 2016, along with the ridiculous 2 year Russia collusion circus didn't open the eyes of the "Left" I don't know what will. Though I don't philosophically agree with much of the "Right," I feel that they are much more attuned to the dangers of authoritarianism, censorship, and mandates at this time in American history. They missed their turn to stand up to their own leaders regarding the Patriot Act, financial malfeasance, and imperialist wars. Now the Left is missing their chance to stop the madness that surrounds everything COVID.
The Republicans elected Bush family presidents for 12 years, or 20 if you count Reagan shadowed by a Bush and a Brzezinski.
The Kunlangeta have owned the Oval Office for a long time. The more of us step away from their captured political parties and stop using manipulated terms of "right/left", the sooner we will build a healthy human kingdom.
Witnessing sanity lifts my spirits. Thank you! I am glad that there are still enough of us that I don't feel totally alone, despite being outnumbered by what I term "conformationists" in many areas of my life.
Agreed, thanks for teaching me a new word... Kunlangeta.
You do realize that a “healthy human kingdom” is, prima facie, an oxymoron… right?
Well said. Thanks for the clarity and integrity. We need more of that on the left.
🎯
Not all humans are as gregarious as chimps and gorillas though. Some of us are more like the Orangutans, living a more solitary life, especially once the kids are grown. I think that makes us less prone to groupthink.
True. I did move from an urban center to a rural area and my "tribe" changed somewhat.
I wish humans could live more like a bonobos, they seem to have a lot of fun with less territorial or dominance issues. Though, I'm not an expert.
Provocative post. Interestingly, the thought that immediately popped up for me when pondering the “chief” slot was: “I don’t have a chief.”
Do not comply, etc. Also, I personally lean libertarian or anarchist, so…
I can understand. It is healthier to have a community, in my humble opinion. Evolutionary stability would dictate as much, which is exactly why attacks on community formation and structure are so horrific. But many of those who remain capable of disobedience in the age of Humans Who Love Their Slavery are those who at some point chose not to have a chief in mind.
I have a small community, but no chief. There are lots of people whose opinions I value and respect, though. I do take advice, but I can’t put all my trust in a chief and follow blindly. They may not be exactly what you mean by a chief of leader, however.
I don’t think I have a chief either. I’m sort of a friendly loner if that makes any sense. I think I do better if I don’t follow the herd.
Even today, HCQ is almost never mentioned as being beneficial to covid patients- except by doctors (like Drs. Fareed and Tyson) who used it to treat covid successfully for *thousands* of patients. The evidence for HCQ benefit is at least as strong as (if not stronger than) Ivermectin.
The media stranglehold on the minds of Americans is nearly absolute! And you are right- they used divided attitudes on Trump to conceal the benefits of HCQ.
The evidence is much, much stronger than for IVM. When you focus on the PrEP and early treatment studies that did not focus on patients with autoimmune disorders, 71 of 74 showed the treatment arm outperforming no treatment or placebo.
Guy told me the other day that just drinking tonic water (within quinine in it, you see) would be as effective as HCQ. Know anything about that, anyone?
You would have to drink numerous cups of tonic water daily, and make sure to know the dosing versus the type you buy. Needless math and risk. There are simpler solutions, pardon the pun.
If you choose quinine over all other options (I personally wouldn't if I had full choices), you could still just buy in pill form.
Thank you for that, Mathew. No, I'm not thinking of using it. If I think it necessary I guess I can get HCQ from somewhere if I want it. I just wanted to know.
If I drank numerous cups of tonic water I'd be tempted to mix in some Gilbeys or something.
Thanks for the tip about pill quinine though.
The 'simpler solutions' ? Not to distract you from your central tasks/interests. Along the lines of IVM and D with melatonin (i.e. from sunshine) etc.. perhaps?
You're very busy. I won't take it amiss if you don't answer. :)
Check out the studies at c19study.com Oh, its not there, but Quercetin is, and that is available to all. Why not listen to the doctors, and not a "guy"?
I seek information - you think I shouldn't? A doctor IS 'a guy' and some of THOSE guys are and have been for two years disseminating bullshit. Many 'guys' are supremely more knowledgeable, compassionate, helpful, public spirited than doctors.
Why? Because doctors are just 'guys'.
We all are.
A big problem in our termite society is a lack of humanity. We define ourselves according to our 'jobs'. I AM a plumber. I AM a doctor. and so on.
No. You are a man with some training that serves you perhaps well, perhaps not, that you understand well, perhaps not and so on..
I will listen to 'guys' all my life, thank you, because I see things that way and am deeply suspicious of those that don't.
Back to the question: anyone know anything about quinine vis a vis HCQ?
I find for myself that the chemical structure was altered to HCQ in order to obviate some side effects or such.
But I currently find nothing to indicate the level of protection from covid or similar respiratory illnesses and I would like to know that. Any guys out there got any info?
Your "back to the question" is now changed "anyone know anything about quinine vis a vis HCQ?"
before it was:
"Guy told me the other day that just drinking tonic water (within quinine in it, you see) would be as effective as HCQ. "
I can't answer either one. Good luck.
Vast, untold sums of money have been put into researching, developing and refining psychological techniques such as this one by PR companies like Hill + Knowlton and behavioral science teams and think tanks such as Britain's Nudge Unit and the Tavistock Institute. Govt money has then been used to bring them on board for state uses. I'm sure the WEF have their fingers in many of these pies. The pandemic, pivoting into the Ukraine overnight, the entire list of behavioral engineering over the past three years (and many before) was due to years of this research, planning and execution. How else would you account for something so toxic to be thought of as safe and effective? How else would a parent harm and murder their own child?
Fifty or sixty years ago my father told me that the best psychologists were the ones working for the New York advertising agencies. It still seems true and it would be interesting to see how much the government propaganda departments overlap with the Madison Avenue players.