“Sage Hana” is a real bitch and I am so grateful you posted this, Mathew. “She” is hateful and has quite a following, which tells you something. “She” is calling for people like John Campbell and Aseem Malhotra to “hang” since they originally pushed the shots. If you disagree with her and talk about grace, or how decent Campbell is as a person, “she” attacks you viciously, wishing you death, injury, and on and on. “She’s” a hateful little turd in the Substack punch bowl. And, no, I won’t be reading “her” crap anymore. I encourage others to unsubscribe, of course. This isn’t the kind of discourse our “not a movement” needs. Poison Derrick. More poisonous than a lemon-mRNA-aid jab as Dr. Dr. McHonk Honk calls them.
"You can't be neutral on a moving train" is something the proto-wokesters would point out when trying to wedge people across various issues. The problem with this phrase isn't that it's wrong, but rather that people often can't agree what train they're on. Often if you don't take sides, people will very quickly sort into "sides" and de-facto leave you on one.
I think the real reason people in the MFM / "Not a movement" (or whatever we'll call it) are turning on each other is anger and frustration over creeping realization that "we've" lost:
1) Nobody has been held criminally responsible for any of the harms from lockdowns, mandates, and vaccine injuries.
2) Hardly anything has been done to prevent the very same measures being put into place for the "next pandemic"
It was easy for people to go along and get along when the carrot of some kind of justice hung over people's heads. Now that it's fading, very little is left to bind people who would otherwise disagree together. How many things will people ignore (bad data, shady histories, mistakes, ect) happily ignore and deflect from as long as "victory" is near?
I think the only way for people to be properly motivated to discuss mistakes and problems is to acknowledge that victory isn't close at all. Can anyone really say we're further away from new lockdowns and coercion than 2018 was? If anything these things have been effectively normalized.
"But what about all the people who woke up?" Yeah they've all been purged from positions of authority.
If there is a "round 2", as things currently stand we will be measurably worse off despite people "waking up".
Dr Yeadon called it. They planned for this and planned for resistance. What we're seeing is the outcome of hardly anything outside the plan taking place. I think you Mathew have an eye for many of the correct solutions (decentralized actions that scale well), but I'm not seeing how this series helps.
I was looking forward to more cases like the original post, with iron clad proof of sabotage. Instead I just see the same in-fighting that I've been prone to ignore this entire time. Corbett says "the moment it's about the people and not the ideas it's over, because it becomes a soap opera" and that's effectively what much of this looks like.
I don't think it's really many people's fault individually. As a whole people are having a hard time accepting (and apparently responding to) criticism without taking it as an attack. I don't know to what degree fanbases inflame this, but I estimate quite a bit. I don't really have answers, but it's clear something has gone very, very wrong.
Never paid much attention to Sage comments and thrilled to know I've been spared another mean spirited fraud littering my thoughts. Thanks for the fraud laid bare.. always fun to see schemers caught up in their own lies even w/o preceding drama it's a popcorn moment... nom nom! :~)
Holy crap, finally another human being who knows about the Chinese College Paper Mills.
When I tutored grad school classes I was approached by "tutoring agencies" that would do bait-and-switch interviews that would end with asking for on-demand papers. Same with individual, wealthy students, who would usually become angry or feign some kind of cultural misunderstanding and then ask me, well, if it was "completely unethical" to write your research paper (and fake your results), how much MORE would it cost to make it ethical?
They were universally Chinese-run academic programs or the wealthy children of Chinese parents still overseas doing MBA or social sciences.
I love that we have more in common than I imagined. Whodathunk potato cannons would be that thing? 😉
Btw, my biker radar tells me Derrick the spiceboy is a provocateur, used for stirring up the low iq crowd. He/She uses classic “stir the pot” techniques. It does make his stack a great way for people (with at least half a brain) who are new to chaos or agent provacateur behavior to study the clearly obvious techniques he utilizes. Consider it a remedial/sub 101 course.
I'm so sorry you have to go through this Mathew. This kind of smearing and attacking while ignoring the truth seems to be the way a significant number of people (and I'm including certain corporate leaders and politicians) work these days. Keep on keeping on. Truth WILL win out. It's just a question of when.
He/she was a one-trick-pony at best. Perhaps a year or so ago he/she had some early insight, albeit, nothing that was too difficult to discover for oneself. Since he/she has gained a bit of a following, I could no longer stand the increasing amount of sanctimonious whining because he/she didn’t have a credentialed street cred from which to shout from. He/she then early on became desperate for attention/ paying subscribers, too desperate. I suspect plagiarism has played a part in he/she’s increased following but it is only a suspicion, not an indictment.
In summary, he/she is a glorified troll hiding behind a female persona for victim points if/when questioned or attacked. Your headline couldn’t be more perfect. I sincerely appreciate your work Mr. Crawford. Your SBF and Stew Peters analysis has been much appreciated by your fellow non DRS subscribers.
Hana, I mean Derrick, showed his true colours early on to me. Here is a juicy quote for you:
Sage Hana 29TH SEPT 2022
"It is my prerogative. I exercised it. I like the video. I like the discussion about the video.
To be clear. I don't like you, Frances. I've been willing to indulge you a little bit, b/c I suspect that you are a lonely bitter old bat of human being and this is what passed for engagement in your life.
I don't want to ban you. I think some people may like to engage with you here.
I was nothing but kind to you from the minute you came around here, but that will be no more. If you think this is snarling, thank your not a virus higher power that we are not face to face."
I'm sad to see the devolution happening - was enjoying the notion of a robust and occasionally fiesty substack world - chock full of the varieties of personalities one would expect of creative, intelligent people.
Dec 26, 2022·edited Dec 26, 2022Liked by Mathew Crawford
I provided some feedback over there to call out a post whose only goal appeared to be malicious, and got flamed as a reward. It seems clear that Sagerrick prefers a bubble of adulating followers to any real feedback. I don’t hold malicious attacks and spats as having any value to the rest of us - regardless of the source.
“Sage Hana” is a real bitch and I am so grateful you posted this, Mathew. “She” is hateful and has quite a following, which tells you something. “She” is calling for people like John Campbell and Aseem Malhotra to “hang” since they originally pushed the shots. If you disagree with her and talk about grace, or how decent Campbell is as a person, “she” attacks you viciously, wishing you death, injury, and on and on. “She’s” a hateful little turd in the Substack punch bowl. And, no, I won’t be reading “her” crap anymore. I encourage others to unsubscribe, of course. This isn’t the kind of discourse our “not a movement” needs. Poison Derrick. More poisonous than a lemon-mRNA-aid jab as Dr. Dr. McHonk Honk calls them.
You didn't owe any of this to anybody. Anyone who can't tell you're a good dude just isn't a particularly astute judge of character.
"You can't be neutral on a moving train" is something the proto-wokesters would point out when trying to wedge people across various issues. The problem with this phrase isn't that it's wrong, but rather that people often can't agree what train they're on. Often if you don't take sides, people will very quickly sort into "sides" and de-facto leave you on one.
I think the real reason people in the MFM / "Not a movement" (or whatever we'll call it) are turning on each other is anger and frustration over creeping realization that "we've" lost:
1) Nobody has been held criminally responsible for any of the harms from lockdowns, mandates, and vaccine injuries.
2) Hardly anything has been done to prevent the very same measures being put into place for the "next pandemic"
It was easy for people to go along and get along when the carrot of some kind of justice hung over people's heads. Now that it's fading, very little is left to bind people who would otherwise disagree together. How many things will people ignore (bad data, shady histories, mistakes, ect) happily ignore and deflect from as long as "victory" is near?
I think the only way for people to be properly motivated to discuss mistakes and problems is to acknowledge that victory isn't close at all. Can anyone really say we're further away from new lockdowns and coercion than 2018 was? If anything these things have been effectively normalized.
"But what about all the people who woke up?" Yeah they've all been purged from positions of authority.
If there is a "round 2", as things currently stand we will be measurably worse off despite people "waking up".
Dr Yeadon called it. They planned for this and planned for resistance. What we're seeing is the outcome of hardly anything outside the plan taking place. I think you Mathew have an eye for many of the correct solutions (decentralized actions that scale well), but I'm not seeing how this series helps.
I was looking forward to more cases like the original post, with iron clad proof of sabotage. Instead I just see the same in-fighting that I've been prone to ignore this entire time. Corbett says "the moment it's about the people and not the ideas it's over, because it becomes a soap opera" and that's effectively what much of this looks like.
I don't think it's really many people's fault individually. As a whole people are having a hard time accepting (and apparently responding to) criticism without taking it as an attack. I don't know to what degree fanbases inflame this, but I estimate quite a bit. I don't really have answers, but it's clear something has gone very, very wrong.
Never paid much attention to Sage comments and thrilled to know I've been spared another mean spirited fraud littering my thoughts. Thanks for the fraud laid bare.. always fun to see schemers caught up in their own lies even w/o preceding drama it's a popcorn moment... nom nom! :~)
Holy crap, finally another human being who knows about the Chinese College Paper Mills.
When I tutored grad school classes I was approached by "tutoring agencies" that would do bait-and-switch interviews that would end with asking for on-demand papers. Same with individual, wealthy students, who would usually become angry or feign some kind of cultural misunderstanding and then ask me, well, if it was "completely unethical" to write your research paper (and fake your results), how much MORE would it cost to make it ethical?
They were universally Chinese-run academic programs or the wealthy children of Chinese parents still overseas doing MBA or social sciences.
I love that we have more in common than I imagined. Whodathunk potato cannons would be that thing? 😉
Btw, my biker radar tells me Derrick the spiceboy is a provocateur, used for stirring up the low iq crowd. He/She uses classic “stir the pot” techniques. It does make his stack a great way for people (with at least half a brain) who are new to chaos or agent provacateur behavior to study the clearly obvious techniques he utilizes. Consider it a remedial/sub 101 course.
Here I thought I was the only one banned from Sage. Congratulations. Thanks for revealing the "man" behind the curtain, as well.
I'm so sorry you have to go through this Mathew. This kind of smearing and attacking while ignoring the truth seems to be the way a significant number of people (and I'm including certain corporate leaders and politicians) work these days. Keep on keeping on. Truth WILL win out. It's just a question of when.
He/she was a one-trick-pony at best. Perhaps a year or so ago he/she had some early insight, albeit, nothing that was too difficult to discover for oneself. Since he/she has gained a bit of a following, I could no longer stand the increasing amount of sanctimonious whining because he/she didn’t have a credentialed street cred from which to shout from. He/she then early on became desperate for attention/ paying subscribers, too desperate. I suspect plagiarism has played a part in he/she’s increased following but it is only a suspicion, not an indictment.
In summary, he/she is a glorified troll hiding behind a female persona for victim points if/when questioned or attacked. Your headline couldn’t be more perfect. I sincerely appreciate your work Mr. Crawford. Your SBF and Stew Peters analysis has been much appreciated by your fellow non DRS subscribers.
Loved the confessions. A little bit of us all in there.
Hana, I mean Derrick, showed his true colours early on to me. Here is a juicy quote for you:
Sage Hana 29TH SEPT 2022
"It is my prerogative. I exercised it. I like the video. I like the discussion about the video.
To be clear. I don't like you, Frances. I've been willing to indulge you a little bit, b/c I suspect that you are a lonely bitter old bat of human being and this is what passed for engagement in your life.
I don't want to ban you. I think some people may like to engage with you here.
I was nothing but kind to you from the minute you came around here, but that will be no more. If you think this is snarling, thank your not a virus higher power that we are not face to face."
Delightful character? lmfao!
First Santa Claus and now Sage Hana? All my heroes are zeroes?
Say it isn't so, Joe!
Most of this (not your writing, which was fuckin hilarious) is simply weird and boring and doesn't seem very important to adults.
Why even acknowledge it?
Lol. Didn’t know the name but that Sage Hana was a dude was clear after about 5 minutes on the stack. A dude with a need for followers.
Is this for certain - Sage is Derrick?
I'm sad to see the devolution happening - was enjoying the notion of a robust and occasionally fiesty substack world - chock full of the varieties of personalities one would expect of creative, intelligent people.
This is now feeling, sad.
I provided some feedback over there to call out a post whose only goal appeared to be malicious, and got flamed as a reward. It seems clear that Sagerrick prefers a bubble of adulating followers to any real feedback. I don’t hold malicious attacks and spats as having any value to the rest of us - regardless of the source.
https://sagehana.substack.com/p/chaos-agents-mathew-crawford-the/comment/11399661