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Toby Rogers's avatar

I'm one of the people promoting Nuremberg 2.0. It's not a psyop. It's just something we can organize around to give us a bit of hope, energy, momentum.

There's an entire field of academic study called, "transitional justice" -- what do you do (with the old societal gatekeepers) when a revolution succeeds. I took a class in transitional justice at Berkeley law in 2011 -- and it turns out that the process is always fraught. If you push too far bad things happen (the Soviet Union). If you don't push far enough bad things happen (South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission). It's hard to find the right spot in the middle. Nuremberg is actually held up as the just right in the middle approach.

Someone on Quora asked "How many German war-criminals were executed after the war?"

One of the more fascinating answers was:

"At least 500:

Ten executions at Nuremberg, two suicides to escape execution;

About 280 executions at Landsberg am Lech, the American prison, 250 hangings, 29 by firing-squad. The prisoners were nearly all SS, SD, and Einsatzgruppen personnel.

About 200 executions at Hameln, the British prison. The British held mostly Concentration Camp personnel.

Trials in Occupied Countries: Norway, the Netherlands, France—and the biggest at Krakow, Poland, and Riga, Latvia. Perhaps 50 executions altogether."

If we could hit those sorts of numbers if/when Pharma falls we would be doing great.

All of the points you raise are spot on. We learned the wrong lessons from World War II. Nuremberg did not pursue enough people. Operation Paperclip was abhorrent. In many ways, the Nazis were never defeated, just absorbed into our culture.

But then the task becomes, okay what's better than Nuremberg and how do we get there? It's a really heavy lift. And what often happens is that people slip into nihilism (Pharma's too big, it'll never happen, stop dreaming), and under the circumstances that's not acceptable either.

I'm just saying that the emotional impulse to reach for some sort of justice is understandable. And if someone wants to come up with a better plan than Nuremberg 2.0 I'm all ears.

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SteveInFlorida's avatar

Thanks Mathew. There is a good documentary coming out on January 30th on CHD.TV about all the criminals who were not tried at Nuremburg. A lot ended up in the USA and the UK, as well as south America. Vera Sherav, a holocaust survivor, is the director. If I recall correctly, Fullmich told viewers that his interviews were not in any way focussed on another Nuremburg - that it could never take place. Vera Sherav stated that today, there would not be any allies coming to rescue the prisoners in the death camps. I agree. Thanks again.

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