I'm one of the people promoting Nuremberg 2.0. It's not a psyop. It's just something we can organize around to give us a bit of hope, energy, momentum.
There's an entire field of academic study called, "transitional justice" -- what do you do (with the old societal gatekeepers) when a revolution succeeds. I took a class in transitional justice at Berkeley law in 2011 -- and it turns out that the process is always fraught. If you push too far bad things happen (the Soviet Union). If you don't push far enough bad things happen (South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission). It's hard to find the right spot in the middle. Nuremberg is actually held up as the just right in the middle approach.
Someone on Quora asked "How many German war-criminals were executed after the war?"
One of the more fascinating answers was:
"At least 500:
Ten executions at Nuremberg, two suicides to escape execution;
About 280 executions at Landsberg am Lech, the American prison, 250 hangings, 29 by firing-squad. The prisoners were nearly all SS, SD, and Einsatzgruppen personnel.
About 200 executions at Hameln, the British prison. The British held mostly Concentration Camp personnel.
Trials in Occupied Countries: Norway, the Netherlands, France—and the biggest at Krakow, Poland, and Riga, Latvia. Perhaps 50 executions altogether."
If we could hit those sorts of numbers if/when Pharma falls we would be doing great.
All of the points you raise are spot on. We learned the wrong lessons from World War II. Nuremberg did not pursue enough people. Operation Paperclip was abhorrent. In many ways, the Nazis were never defeated, just absorbed into our culture.
But then the task becomes, okay what's better than Nuremberg and how do we get there? It's a really heavy lift. And what often happens is that people slip into nihilism (Pharma's too big, it'll never happen, stop dreaming), and under the circumstances that's not acceptable either.
I'm just saying that the emotional impulse to reach for some sort of justice is understandable. And if someone wants to come up with a better plan than Nuremberg 2.0 I'm all ears.
"And if someone wants to come up with a better plan than Nuremberg 2.0 I'm all ears."
I'm not sure what the "plan" actually is, but I favor one that involves ruthlessly pushing to the top---no letting Harriman Bank...off the hook...only to elect future presidents and dismantle our rule of law!
The levers were pushed by the most powerful people in the world. They declared war on us all, and any form of business as usual will loop us back to the same spot again down the road.
We either dig to the root, or we're hacking at the leaves.
We should not allow this to be negotiated by people who failed to see it coming, or contributed to it. We should not leave this to the corrupt uniparty system, either.
I fully trust that you are not a psyop, Toby, but that doesn't not mean that I don't think the formulation of the phrase was pushed by bad actors. The jury is still out.
I agree with your comment and article. What makes all of this ridiculous though, is the impossibility of conducting a prosecution when the most powerful militaries in the world are employed by the actual perpetrators. Not pharma. Pharma didn’t write Biden’s script to mandate jabs. Get whoever wrote the script. But if military intelligence or CIA or...,,wrote Biden script, who would prosecute?
At the same time, I understand Toby's perspective on transitional justice. The question is whether it's possible to go to the root, or whether this is about transitioning the Mandarins.
In the end I doubt formal justice will do much but informal justice, like the tactics favoured by Irishman Michael Collins, will do more damage. The locals who went along with it are unprotected and easy to isolate. Just follow them home and DOX or whatever they want to do to them. See Austria for details when they did the "Full Monty" and went for forced injections.
I'm not advocating violence as only a fed or a fool would do that and I'm neither, but human nature being what it is tends towards violence. Ironically it's not the unvaxxed that will be the big worry for those that went along with it. 33 million Canadians took the shots and if 1% are violence prone (way too much credit to my species LOL) and have nothing to lose then that is 330,000 which is 3 for every doctor in the country.
PS. Reinhard Gehlen was in charge of intelligence for eastern Europe so he knew about the stuff going on there, but after the war got a promotion instead of a noose. He had an network behind the iron curtain that the OSS wanted. His memoirs are interesting. He was of the position that Bormann was working for a 3rd party against Germany and Hitler covered for him so he was too.
If the globalist regime bankrupts, there will be some people who go hunting for them. There is little doubt about that, which is part of why I think they want to bankrupt their rivals.
More importantly, people need to begin stitching their communities together and creating a productive network. A great future abounds after this Dark Age is over.
...If the globalist BANKSTER regime bankrupts ...& pigs can fly...alas,fat chance, prof C...that Lot have been adroitly wagging the tail of we, the unwashed , for thousands of years.
I don't advocate for violence. I do know what I observed during 2020 when mask mandates were being aggressively enforced at big box stores. Until...a few super craycray people took matters into their own hands and shot and killed big box staff and security for trying to force them to wear masks. At that moment the big box management came to the realization that they don't even go after shoplifters to protect themselves from theft for that very reason, insurance claims for on the job deaths are expensive. They went from being thuggish superNazi's to barking chihuahua's almost overnight. The loss of life was tragic. The perpetrators are doing hard time. I didn't mind the end of thuggery in those stores. Government was the instigator that first provoked the thuggery that resulted in deaths and incarcerations. Violence by craycray people is always the risk of government-provoked thuggery. And may result in less thuggery. Just sayin'.
And there's this from a famous dissident about the USSR's totalitarian assault on the people:
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago
I quoted this to a guy in work over a year or so ago, as part of my explanation why people should have guns - he as a Guardian reader obviously thinks guns are evil and only for mouth-breathers etc. At the end, he kind of nodded, didn't really have much to say in response to these words from Solzhenitsyn. He looked even like he was reconsidering.
And then next time it comes up a while later, he's just regurgitating the same talking points from The Guardian. Like he heard nothing. Many of these people are under hypnosis and I've lost all hope - and sympathy - for them. That movie from when I was a kid, 'The Stepford Wives' - I often wonder what the person who wrote it had in mind.
Yep. Government-provoked thuggery can be very destabilizing to a society. Which is often the purpose. In anticipation of establishing a new society, unburdened by old norms. The side most prepared to establish a society that rises from the ashes of the old usually determines the new.
Do you have a link to what took place in Austria? I haven't read about that but it makes sense since they reversed their intended mandate for some reason.
We either dig to the root, or we're hacking at the leaves.
You do GREAT work, Matthew. Thank you! However, for me, it is not either/or. I have no problem stripping leaves WHILE at the same time knowing the root must, necessarily, come out, and not thinking because there are no leaves - much like a dandelion - there is no problem.
Tolkein ends his Trilogy, if I recall, by warning that the evil still lurked even after the ring was destroyed.
I, for one, am thankful that ALL evil will be uprooted at the return of Christ, starting with the evil in my own heart (as Chesteron wrote about to an editor about what as behind the evil in his world, he wrote a letter back to the editor saying "What is behind the evil? I am sincerely yours, GKC By this I am NOT equating the systemic evil behind Pfizer with my own sin; however, the evil we see at Pfizer has its roots in the sin we all have in us.
Anyhow, great article by you. But I am also concerned that we in the Medical Freedom community don't rip ourselves apart, just like this Twilight Zone, The Monsters Are Due On Maple Street https://youtu.be/oPOoEQ2vx7w?t=298 5:20 min
Unfortunately, this whole nonsense has increased. It's my experience that people don't even understand that the "code" is not law either. I see so many folks say 'they broke the Nuremberg codes. Why aren't they in jail?' Not understand that they're guiding principles and not law.
I share you're article here often because N2.0 reminds me of the whole Q mantra "the storm is coming".
IMO those that would be able to have the ability and power to be able to hold trials in international leadership are not going to allow something like Nuremberg to ever occur over Covid. It would be for show but the optics and sensationalism of it alone would give too much credence political opponents (us). I feel if we ever see accountability internationally or local (more likely than international I think) there's gonna be some scapegoats that take the brunt for optics and there's gonna be a lot of wrist slapping. Sounds familar.
Why is it either/or here? Let's do the leaves, as well as the roots.
The issue is the same as what confronted the French Resistance in WWII. Who was a plant or not? And, worse, how did one know if one of your fellows had been turned? What about tripe agents?
The issue is one of epistemology. Francis Schaeffer said that if he was stuck in the Alps in a snowstorm and a rope was dropped to him by an unknown party, he would tug on it firmly to "trust but verify," then climb.
I must admit, I remember hearing the vile Francis Collins talk about his "Christian" faith years ago. I was pleased to hear that, as his story sounded valid. Only later did I find out that either he is a.) a deep plant, and this was being positioned early in the game, or b.) he was a fraud Christian, or at best one who betrayed his Lord. I assume it was the latter. Wheels within wheels.
One invading Martian to another: “Understand the procedure now? Just stop a few of their machines, and radios and telephones and lawnmowers, throw them into darkness for a few hours… and then sit back and watch the pattern (where they destroy each other). Is this pattern always they same? With few variations. They pick the most dangerous enemy they can find – and it’s themselves. All we need do is sit back and watch…we’ll go from (one neighborhood to another) and watch them destroy themselves.” Here, neighbors turn on each other as the real threat just waits for them to turn on each other. The last scene is where the Martians, in the original, just look at each other as the population turns on each other and tear each other apart – all the while knowing they didn’t have enough power to the full populace over take over on their own – and sneeringly say “We knew they would turn on each other” – and now take over earth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPOoEQ2vx7w 5 min
Nuremberg 1.0 was cover while some of the worst NAZI criminals ended up running NASA and the CIA, the booty stolen from victims was redirected to Wall St, BIS, etc.
Invisible menace has the potential to be more terrifying than violence as it can last longer- you can draw it out for a long time- even an eternity- the thing you can't see. Good story tellers understand this- Hitchcock understood this.
It's all fraud Toby. There was no pandemic- no unique viral pathogen.
The "alt community" including the likes of Kirsch, RFK, Bigtree and on and on need ot come to terms with this and admit they have been mistaken on this fundamental point. This is not a trifle as the ramifications of perpetuating this lie are enormous.
There is no excuse for being wilfully ignorant on this point any longer- there never was.
Nuremberg took place due to the allies- the victors- will; even imperfect- after all they were all war criminals(I have seen a documentary about and with veterans pilots from WWII, confirming that no action was taken without Churchill approval, the latter trying to distance himself from the responsibility of bombing civil targets; an investigation carried out in the US concluded that Dresden bombing was justified)- it is seen as an advance in international law, as they had to deal with unusual crimes and criminals. I am certain there are specialists in international law who can deal with the actual crimes against humanity, using and refining Nuremberg laws. But under whose authority could these trials take place? Which is that independent power that can organize them? For sure not UN International Court of Justice, which USA does not even recognize its jurisdiction.
Kurt Vonnegut, jr. addressed the fire-bombing of Dresden (a British operation) in an interview (he was a POW in Dresden at the time, and survived). He said that it was simply bureaucratic inertia which led to this horror. It was simply on the agenda for that day, so they followed the operational plan without any thought or consideration of the consequences. Much like what D.C. is doing to Ukraine today, although D.C. has no plan except to keep doing what they've been doing. These folks deserve no mercy.
I believe a pretty nice start, if we ever get there, is forbidding anyone with ties to the WEF from taking part in government or anything remotely connected to it.
I have no idea how we should do that, but I'm pretty sure the process of identifying such people is of great importance. Without it, we are certainly bound to fail at any sort of reckoning, be it a nuremberg or whatever name you want to give it.
This is a real quandary. The only protest that was remotely effective in the UK (debatable what the effects were) in the last fifty years was violent. (Poll Tax 1990) yet I completely sympathise with those who eschew violence and , as so many including MLK have preached, violence begets violence. On the face of it the French Revolution brought about massive change but the Jacobins didn’t know what they were doing and thus we had the Reign of Terror which led to Napoleon and a military solution. But someone has referenced Solzhenitsyn somewhere in this thread and he suffered directly the consequences of not standing up to this abuse of power. There were moments during 2020 I thought that the only way to bring people to their senses was to have massive, bloody uprisings. I’m physically encumbered so I couldn’t take part in many of the demonstrations in the UK, which were brutally repressed by the police whilst the disingenuous BLM (actually violent) and XR were given free passes. This enraged me even more. Although many spoke of Reiner F as being controlled opposition I turned to him for that middle ground, some coherent hope in what was, lest we forget, an awful time. I have no answers and in my rational moments am not someone who thirsts for vengeance but from 2020 there haven’t been that many rational moments. I understand that in Switzerland (may have the country wrong) a citizen has a duty to have a gun in his home to stop government overreach. I used to be one of those ‘liberals’ who thought the ownership of guns was abhorrent but that was when I thought we lived with a benign, if inept, government. But our governments in the West are not benign, they are malignant. Our police forces and justice system are instruments of that malignancy so I am inclined now to think Solzhenitsyn’s point is a potent reminder of what we need to be prepared to do and I don’t think about guns as a way to protect yourself and your loved ones like I did. I’d love to resort to how I used to feel (guns in the wrong hands are disastrous) but then we’d need a benign method of governance. I ‘liked’ Mathew Crawford’s post and I ‘liked’ Toby Rogers response. How do we hold that middle ground? How does forceful resistance NOT metamorphose into a reign of terror?
Thanks Mathew. There is a good documentary coming out on January 30th on CHD.TV about all the criminals who were not tried at Nuremburg. A lot ended up in the USA and the UK, as well as south America. Vera Sherav, a holocaust survivor, is the director. If I recall correctly, Fullmich told viewers that his interviews were not in any way focussed on another Nuremburg - that it could never take place. Vera Sherav stated that today, there would not be any allies coming to rescue the prisoners in the death camps. I agree. Thanks again.
Reposting from K. Watt's brilliant substack because this quote is an important part of this conversation about accountability and criminals: "Pfizer’s leaders and Pfizer’s employees are mass murdering criminals, for sure, and they should be investigated, prosecuted, tried, convicted and punished along with their government co-conspirators. But Pfizer as a brand is expendable. BioNTech is expendable. Moderna, Emergent Biosolutions, BioPort, EcoHealth Alliance…
All these front companies can be dissolved as many times as needed, and reconstituted under new corporate names as many times as needed. The US military-public health system (DOD+HHS+DHS+DOJ+DOS…) — the infiltrated, semi-overthrown US Government — can't be rebranded once the People understand the mass murder campaign that the imposter senior executive service (SES) officials are operating from within it. The imposter Cabinet secretaries, President Biden/Obama/Harris, the globalist central bankers pulling the strings, and the mass media are all at a crossroads together..." https://bailiwicknews.substack.com/p/why-all-the-breathless-finger-wagging
And, don't forget the Bank of International Settlements (BIS); no doubt it and the Rothschilds behind it are MORE than contributors...It's the Mother Bank of all the World Banks with The Town of London within Greater London AND the surviving European Monarchy HIDDEN IN THE WINGS AS ALWAYS.
Mr. Crawford Please read Bailiwick News to understand USA laws and the immunity given by our government to all players in the Covid Cabal....written by a constitutional scholar Katherine Watt who shows the evolution of these laws from 1983 to the present and how they cover every contingency to assure that we (citizens of the USA) have no recourse in our courts or via our current President or from Congress which has totally abdicated their role and responsibility to the American people...at present we are ruled by our constitutional law, the WEF, WHO, the Department of Health and Human Services and the DOD who implemented the process of subjugating the whole USA and the world...this is war. We have been subjected to a bio weapon, denied our personal sovereignty by draconian laws that have not gone away ....... special powers are still in effect due to perceived or created threat of covid and we are in effect under martial law......whoever perpetrated this crime followed the German playbook provided by the legal system in Germany from the 20s, 30s, and40s and then put the law on steroids to overtake the whole world. We must educate everyone about the realities....this is our future that is at stake and the clock is ticking...I too followed Reiner Fuellmich but he never looked at USA constitutional law or engage Ms. Watt in a discussion which would have changed his focus re what we must all do if he had.
You don't have to tell me. I've been arguing that we were in a post-Constitutional state since my teenage years, over 30 years ago. Not many people can fathom it.
Thank you for writing this. You did such a great job. Much better that I would have. Now I don't have to write it. Just point people towards it. Thanks again.
Thank you for alerting me to how inadequate of a response Nuremberg 2.0 would be. I've been saying that for awhile, especially given last year's barely noticed 75th Anniversary of the original Nuremberg Code, and I have the commemorative book, which is translated into several languages with a commentary by Vera Sharav. The Code was written so that this would never happen again, but I failed to fully recognize how ineffective and unjust the original trials were. And I would certainly never want to be onboard the same leaky boat as Stew Peters.
Hey Mathew, hope all is well. What you are saying in regard to Nuremberg 1.0 is undeniable - so many top Nazi scientists and others were relocated to the US there is a fairly credible argument that we are now living in the 4th Reich and that the Nazis didn't lose WW2, the German people did. As a historian, this is not a controversial argument as far as I am concerned.
But like the Japanese, the Germans did "win", because they got all the state of the art plant and machinery and became economic powerhouses after the war. Funny that, isn't it.
"In case it needs saying: I'm not telling you that there isn't hope. I'm just telling you that it won't be served by official decree."
I think we all know that and when people like myself say "Nuremberg 2.0", it's more of a euphemism/clarion call rather than a hope or expectation. Or perhaps a shorthand for justice. We know it won't happen.
"But if I may venture a guess about what's yet to come, it's that there will be something like a Nuremberg 2.0, and that it will be sponsored by Pfizer and Moderna—or at least the same massive wealth pools that built them and their subsidiaries. "
- OK this is a very disturbing comment, because it resonates with me. Like yourself, I'm not very shabby at trading. I rarely trade cryptos but when I do, I make 150% a week, I am pretty certain you can guess my "strategy" from reading that alone. 😉
Anyway, I work with several regulated entities as a consultant. I have also worked with several high level barristers/QCs (now KCs, I guess) and we have swapped "horror stories". Basically, want to manipulate the global interest rate and cause trillions of dollars of fraud like in LIBOR? No problem! You get a pass and some junior trader goes to prison for fifteen years, none of the top brass who knew it was happening have any repercussions! Trebles all round!
Be a small boutique brokerage and make the smallest of infractions? The book is going to be thrown at you. According to my lawyer friends, this might include a Kafkaesque - plead guilty and go to prison or plead innocent and be struck off from being a director for a regulated entity ever again. Heads we win, tails you lose.
So back to your comment - throw some junior research people under the bus coz Operation Warp Speed maybe? How could we as directors have known, it was all based on faulty data!
Makes the recent Project Veritas thing look a bit more credible as a future direction in that light doesn't it (and no, I think the PV thing was a complete counter-intelligence psyop, and none of the "revelations" were legit).
Nothing wrong with a Carry Trade of course, if that is what you meant. Trading is a zero sum game, it's the ultimate in cutthroat, even if you don't know who you are knifing.
OK, let me attempt to rephrase:
"Makes the recent Project Veritas thing look a bit more credible as a future direction in that light doesn't it (and no, I think the PV thing was a complete counter-intelligence psyop, and none of the "revelations" were legit)."
OK, so basically, if we take this Project Veritas release at face value, Pfizer is employing a junior doctor, with zero expertise in his field, as someone who is one step removed from Bourla and is proclaiming how Pfizer is creating GoF variants to some gay guy he met on GRINDR on a first date?
And this is something we are supposed to take seriously?
Obviously, this guy is a nobody (I think he was set up as a patsy, he thinks he is legit a Pfizer higher-up, but he isn't).
I mean, just for clarification, my friend's wife used to be the number one salesperson for Pfizer in Europe. It took her several years to realize - despite my ongoing warnings - she was working for an evil company and quit (after almost committing suicide after taking Champix to stop smoking).
My point is, throwing junior people under the bus is routine in the financial industry, why shouldn't it be the case with the pharmaceutical industry?
The fact checkers are now out in force saying how this is ridiculous. If Nuremberg 2.0 ever did come to town (which it won't) Pfizer and their ilk can say "these junior people are incompetent, we didn't know".
I know it sounds ridiculous but it's as ridiculous as people fixing LIBOR twice a week, the risk officer "not knowing" and the board of directors "not knowing", despite all of them seeing the resulting profits coming into the bank.
It's a discrediting operation that gives the directors plausible deniability is my point.
Hope that makes sense and your pretzel is now unstuck. 👍
I agree with your idea that most of us use “Nuremberg 2.0” as shorthand for “justice”. But as you both point out, we need to fight for actual accountability, not sideshow theatrics.
You are the biggest bummer of the contrarian campout! I noticed the VICE article about infighting didn't mention you, or Jay, or RFK, or J Rose, or anyone whose acumen and integrity are unassailable.
There's a lot of similarity with my feeling w folks talking about a new Church Committee. Glenn Greenwald has done some reporting to debunk the myth of its great success, but what seems as important as correcting the record is encouraging the spirit of seeking accountability and scant cases for the public imagination to grab onto until something original is named & working.
For me, we need a slogan which says "investigate who was most responsible for the holocaust which was the covid-19 response (not just vaccines) and hold them very, very publicly accountable for the millions of deaths they caused, with harsh punishment, then write laws to prevent this ever happening again" -- which "prosecute criminals" doesn't convey.
Perhaps you see how we got backed into a corner of Nuremberg 2.0 as amateur Mad Men? I understand your frustration, but you correctly see that many of us are advertisers rather than historians.
The movie, Judgement at Nuremberg, acknowledged as much. Most of the guilty and culpable were let go for geopolitical considerations. They were a show. Not justice.
The full movie, free, no commercials. Cast included: Spencer Tracy, Burt Lancaster, Werner Klemperer, Marlene Dietrich, Judy Garland, William Shatner
Note: Werner Klemperer was a cousin of Victor Klemperer. Who documented the Third Reich's linguistic assault on society, control the language control society. Orwellian Newspeak. IRL. Good write up by Christopher Hitchens on Victor's literary legacy chronicling the fascist regime's ascension and defeat.
Discussion of Nuremberg started very early on, as there is a clear correlation to other crimes against humanity. The facts of covid fit such crimes, and the case grows more secure daily. This '2.0 meme' may be another example of malign interlopers who have joined MFM to press their own agenda, much like the 'Amnesty' article. I will be pleasantly surprised if something substantive comes of grand juries and court cases, and we should take heart with every small victory in the courts; as there have been several of mandates being overturned. Most sane human beings crave justice, the crimes are legion, millions are dead, and millions more disabled, so this desire for 'Nuremberg type' trials will not just go away. We can hope it doesn't end up like the 9-11 investigation and hearings, with a foregone conclusion.
We should jail everyone we can, for whatever crimes they committed, and not to easy conditions, then make it clear that they get one hearing a year during which they can name and provide evidence higher up the chain to reduce their sentence to N years, for some N, rather than life. Rinse and repeat.
Could this be the strategy that justifies Steve Kirsch's tactics? He's writing one substack post after another, going after the FAA and their flight surgeon Susan Northrup.
The FAA is obviously far down on the food chain in terms of its responsibility for the vaxx fiasco. I can understand your view that Kirsch should devote some resources to going after the DoD and DMED database instead.
But maybe Kirsch is betting that the pilots, crew and passengers who are at risk , will be able to exert enough pressure to bring the honchos at FAA onto team MFM. Then their motive is to deflect the blame upwards, to the FDA and CDC. The next domino to fall could be the DoD, then the USG, and finally the mega-billionaire bankers and financiers. It's a long road, and I appreciate everyone who is genuinely pursuing justice at whatever level.
This is the best suggestion in this long list of comments.
If a single death has resulted downstream from what someone did or did not do they get life in jail. Sentence can be reduced for every handler they expose.
Bail/Amnesty hearings start in 10 years.
All assets (including revenue from patents) if convicted to be forfeited into vaccine injury fund.
Any company that profited, fined as much as they profited. Any assets to be forfeited to national CITIZEN OWNED essential medicine producer co-operative run by retired volunteers with a permanent citizen supervisor. One (or more as demanded by citizens) co-operative per nation state with shared IP across all nations. Essential medication at cost plus in future.
I completely agree. But we need to keep them under very secure lock and key and probably air defense as there will be powerful criminals wanting to silence them.
It's the same ole song and dance. I have asked those using the phrase, "Assuming Nuremberg 1 was a legit serving of justice, how would such a thing even be possible (much less effective) given that much of the political leadership needed to execute justice, are the same ones who deserve to have it served.
I'm one of the people promoting Nuremberg 2.0. It's not a psyop. It's just something we can organize around to give us a bit of hope, energy, momentum.
There's an entire field of academic study called, "transitional justice" -- what do you do (with the old societal gatekeepers) when a revolution succeeds. I took a class in transitional justice at Berkeley law in 2011 -- and it turns out that the process is always fraught. If you push too far bad things happen (the Soviet Union). If you don't push far enough bad things happen (South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission). It's hard to find the right spot in the middle. Nuremberg is actually held up as the just right in the middle approach.
Someone on Quora asked "How many German war-criminals were executed after the war?"
One of the more fascinating answers was:
"At least 500:
Ten executions at Nuremberg, two suicides to escape execution;
About 280 executions at Landsberg am Lech, the American prison, 250 hangings, 29 by firing-squad. The prisoners were nearly all SS, SD, and Einsatzgruppen personnel.
About 200 executions at Hameln, the British prison. The British held mostly Concentration Camp personnel.
Trials in Occupied Countries: Norway, the Netherlands, France—and the biggest at Krakow, Poland, and Riga, Latvia. Perhaps 50 executions altogether."
If we could hit those sorts of numbers if/when Pharma falls we would be doing great.
All of the points you raise are spot on. We learned the wrong lessons from World War II. Nuremberg did not pursue enough people. Operation Paperclip was abhorrent. In many ways, the Nazis were never defeated, just absorbed into our culture.
But then the task becomes, okay what's better than Nuremberg and how do we get there? It's a really heavy lift. And what often happens is that people slip into nihilism (Pharma's too big, it'll never happen, stop dreaming), and under the circumstances that's not acceptable either.
I'm just saying that the emotional impulse to reach for some sort of justice is understandable. And if someone wants to come up with a better plan than Nuremberg 2.0 I'm all ears.
"And if someone wants to come up with a better plan than Nuremberg 2.0 I'm all ears."
I'm not sure what the "plan" actually is, but I favor one that involves ruthlessly pushing to the top---no letting Harriman Bank...off the hook...only to elect future presidents and dismantle our rule of law!
The levers were pushed by the most powerful people in the world. They declared war on us all, and any form of business as usual will loop us back to the same spot again down the road.
We either dig to the root, or we're hacking at the leaves.
We should not allow this to be negotiated by people who failed to see it coming, or contributed to it. We should not leave this to the corrupt uniparty system, either.
I fully trust that you are not a psyop, Toby, but that doesn't not mean that I don't think the formulation of the phrase was pushed by bad actors. The jury is still out.
I agree with your comment and article. What makes all of this ridiculous though, is the impossibility of conducting a prosecution when the most powerful militaries in the world are employed by the actual perpetrators. Not pharma. Pharma didn’t write Biden’s script to mandate jabs. Get whoever wrote the script. But if military intelligence or CIA or...,,wrote Biden script, who would prosecute?
Agreed.
At the same time, I understand Toby's perspective on transitional justice. The question is whether it's possible to go to the root, or whether this is about transitioning the Mandarins.
In the end I doubt formal justice will do much but informal justice, like the tactics favoured by Irishman Michael Collins, will do more damage. The locals who went along with it are unprotected and easy to isolate. Just follow them home and DOX or whatever they want to do to them. See Austria for details when they did the "Full Monty" and went for forced injections.
I'm not advocating violence as only a fed or a fool would do that and I'm neither, but human nature being what it is tends towards violence. Ironically it's not the unvaxxed that will be the big worry for those that went along with it. 33 million Canadians took the shots and if 1% are violence prone (way too much credit to my species LOL) and have nothing to lose then that is 330,000 which is 3 for every doctor in the country.
PS. Reinhard Gehlen was in charge of intelligence for eastern Europe so he knew about the stuff going on there, but after the war got a promotion instead of a noose. He had an network behind the iron curtain that the OSS wanted. His memoirs are interesting. He was of the position that Bormann was working for a 3rd party against Germany and Hitler covered for him so he was too.
If the globalist regime bankrupts, there will be some people who go hunting for them. There is little doubt about that, which is part of why I think they want to bankrupt their rivals.
More importantly, people need to begin stitching their communities together and creating a productive network. A great future abounds after this Dark Age is over.
'If the globalist regime bankrupts' or is it
...If the globalist BANKSTER regime bankrupts ...& pigs can fly...alas,fat chance, prof C...that Lot have been adroitly wagging the tail of we, the unwashed , for thousands of years.
This is by and large what Reiner F is talking about, I think.
I don't advocate for violence. I do know what I observed during 2020 when mask mandates were being aggressively enforced at big box stores. Until...a few super craycray people took matters into their own hands and shot and killed big box staff and security for trying to force them to wear masks. At that moment the big box management came to the realization that they don't even go after shoplifters to protect themselves from theft for that very reason, insurance claims for on the job deaths are expensive. They went from being thuggish superNazi's to barking chihuahua's almost overnight. The loss of life was tragic. The perpetrators are doing hard time. I didn't mind the end of thuggery in those stores. Government was the instigator that first provoked the thuggery that resulted in deaths and incarcerations. Violence by craycray people is always the risk of government-provoked thuggery. And may result in less thuggery. Just sayin'.
And there's this from a famous dissident about the USSR's totalitarian assault on the people:
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/34738-and-how-we-burned-in-the-camps-later-thinking-what
I quoted this to a guy in work over a year or so ago, as part of my explanation why people should have guns - he as a Guardian reader obviously thinks guns are evil and only for mouth-breathers etc. At the end, he kind of nodded, didn't really have much to say in response to these words from Solzhenitsyn. He looked even like he was reconsidering.
And then next time it comes up a while later, he's just regurgitating the same talking points from The Guardian. Like he heard nothing. Many of these people are under hypnosis and I've lost all hope - and sympathy - for them. That movie from when I was a kid, 'The Stepford Wives' - I often wonder what the person who wrote it had in mind.
wow
When it gets to the point where it isn't just the "craycray" people doing violence then things get real ugly.
Yep. Government-provoked thuggery can be very destabilizing to a society. Which is often the purpose. In anticipation of establishing a new society, unburdened by old norms. The side most prepared to establish a society that rises from the ashes of the old usually determines the new.
Do you have a link to what took place in Austria? I haven't read about that but it makes sense since they reversed their intended mandate for some reason.
If you search for "austrian doctor committs suicide anti-vax" you'll see it. They tried to paint her as a victim instead of the war criminal she was.
Thanks! Got it!
We either dig to the root, or we're hacking at the leaves.
You do GREAT work, Matthew. Thank you! However, for me, it is not either/or. I have no problem stripping leaves WHILE at the same time knowing the root must, necessarily, come out, and not thinking because there are no leaves - much like a dandelion - there is no problem.
Tolkein ends his Trilogy, if I recall, by warning that the evil still lurked even after the ring was destroyed.
I, for one, am thankful that ALL evil will be uprooted at the return of Christ, starting with the evil in my own heart (as Chesteron wrote about to an editor about what as behind the evil in his world, he wrote a letter back to the editor saying "What is behind the evil? I am sincerely yours, GKC By this I am NOT equating the systemic evil behind Pfizer with my own sin; however, the evil we see at Pfizer has its roots in the sin we all have in us.
Anyhow, great article by you. But I am also concerned that we in the Medical Freedom community don't rip ourselves apart, just like this Twilight Zone, The Monsters Are Due On Maple Street https://youtu.be/oPOoEQ2vx7w?t=298 5:20 min
Yes, radical change is necessary to drive money out of politics, and the likelihood of that happening is vanishingly small.
Unfortunately, this whole nonsense has increased. It's my experience that people don't even understand that the "code" is not law either. I see so many folks say 'they broke the Nuremberg codes. Why aren't they in jail?' Not understand that they're guiding principles and not law.
I share you're article here often because N2.0 reminds me of the whole Q mantra "the storm is coming".
IMO those that would be able to have the ability and power to be able to hold trials in international leadership are not going to allow something like Nuremberg to ever occur over Covid. It would be for show but the optics and sensationalism of it alone would give too much credence political opponents (us). I feel if we ever see accountability internationally or local (more likely than international I think) there's gonna be some scapegoats that take the brunt for optics and there's gonna be a lot of wrist slapping. Sounds familar.
I'm sure you've read this before. Interesting.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3121268/
Why is it either/or here? Let's do the leaves, as well as the roots.
The issue is the same as what confronted the French Resistance in WWII. Who was a plant or not? And, worse, how did one know if one of your fellows had been turned? What about tripe agents?
The issue is one of epistemology. Francis Schaeffer said that if he was stuck in the Alps in a snowstorm and a rope was dropped to him by an unknown party, he would tug on it firmly to "trust but verify," then climb.
I must admit, I remember hearing the vile Francis Collins talk about his "Christian" faith years ago. I was pleased to hear that, as his story sounded valid. Only later did I find out that either he is a.) a deep plant, and this was being positioned early in the game, or b.) he was a fraud Christian, or at best one who betrayed his Lord. I assume it was the latter. Wheels within wheels.
Let's not turn into this mess, in the Twilight Zone, The Monsters Are Due On Maple Street https://youtu.be/oPOoEQ2vx7w?t=298 5:20 min
One invading Martian to another: “Understand the procedure now? Just stop a few of their machines, and radios and telephones and lawnmowers, throw them into darkness for a few hours… and then sit back and watch the pattern (where they destroy each other). Is this pattern always they same? With few variations. They pick the most dangerous enemy they can find – and it’s themselves. All we need do is sit back and watch…we’ll go from (one neighborhood to another) and watch them destroy themselves.” Here, neighbors turn on each other as the real threat just waits for them to turn on each other. The last scene is where the Martians, in the original, just look at each other as the population turns on each other and tear each other apart – all the while knowing they didn’t have enough power to the full populace over take over on their own – and sneeringly say “We knew they would turn on each other” – and now take over earth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPOoEQ2vx7w 5 min
Here's a modern take on it, not as good as the original, but still helpful https://youtu.be/jlHSD6uo7Mk?t=998
In fairness, a 2.0 is a reboot. A 1.1 version is a slight change to the last version. I’m for the 2.0.
Nuremberg 1.0 was cover while some of the worst NAZI criminals ended up running NASA and the CIA, the booty stolen from victims was redirected to Wall St, BIS, etc.
I say let's do the PSYOP-19 tribunals 1.0 ASAP.
Invisible menace has the potential to be more terrifying than violence as it can last longer- you can draw it out for a long time- even an eternity- the thing you can't see. Good story tellers understand this- Hitchcock understood this.
It's all fraud Toby. There was no pandemic- no unique viral pathogen.
The "alt community" including the likes of Kirsch, RFK, Bigtree and on and on need ot come to terms with this and admit they have been mistaken on this fundamental point. This is not a trifle as the ramifications of perpetuating this lie are enormous.
There is no excuse for being wilfully ignorant on this point any longer- there never was.
When you say that there was no viral.pathogen, do you include infectious clones in that statement, or just robust viral swarms?
Nuremberg took place due to the allies- the victors- will; even imperfect- after all they were all war criminals(I have seen a documentary about and with veterans pilots from WWII, confirming that no action was taken without Churchill approval, the latter trying to distance himself from the responsibility of bombing civil targets; an investigation carried out in the US concluded that Dresden bombing was justified)- it is seen as an advance in international law, as they had to deal with unusual crimes and criminals. I am certain there are specialists in international law who can deal with the actual crimes against humanity, using and refining Nuremberg laws. But under whose authority could these trials take place? Which is that independent power that can organize them? For sure not UN International Court of Justice, which USA does not even recognize its jurisdiction.
Kurt Vonnegut, jr. addressed the fire-bombing of Dresden (a British operation) in an interview (he was a POW in Dresden at the time, and survived). He said that it was simply bureaucratic inertia which led to this horror. It was simply on the agenda for that day, so they followed the operational plan without any thought or consideration of the consequences. Much like what D.C. is doing to Ukraine today, although D.C. has no plan except to keep doing what they've been doing. These folks deserve no mercy.
I believe a pretty nice start, if we ever get there, is forbidding anyone with ties to the WEF from taking part in government or anything remotely connected to it.
I have no idea how we should do that, but I'm pretty sure the process of identifying such people is of great importance. Without it, we are certainly bound to fail at any sort of reckoning, be it a nuremberg or whatever name you want to give it.
Revelations from the BIBLE against dictatorships
https://andreasalvatorebuffa.substack.com/p/revelations-de-la-bible
VIRUSES, REALLY THE ACCUSATIONS
https://andreasalvatorebuffa.substack.com/p/viruses-really-the-accusations
We must demand the visura, the publication of the assets of the high offices, of the judiciary by virtue of transparency
https://andreasalvatorebuffa.substack.com/p/we-demand-the-visura-the-publication
If instead of bullets or atomic bombs the obligatory vaccine for everyone with toxic
https://andreasalvatorebuffa.substack.com/p/if-instead-of-bullets-or-atomic-bombs
The CIA and its massacre protocol
https://andreasalvatorebuffa.substack.com/p/the-cia-of-massacres
Révélations de la BIBLE contre les dictatures
https://www.patreon.com/posts/77791157
Si au lieu de balles ou de bombes atomiques, le vaccin obligatoire pour tous ceux qui ont une technologie toxique est utilisé
https://www.patreon.com/posts/si-au-lieu-de-ou-77736735
VIRUS, ALLÉGATIONS D'ACCUSATION AUX GOUVERNEMENTS
https://www.patreon.com/posts/virus-aux-77706949
This is a real quandary. The only protest that was remotely effective in the UK (debatable what the effects were) in the last fifty years was violent. (Poll Tax 1990) yet I completely sympathise with those who eschew violence and , as so many including MLK have preached, violence begets violence. On the face of it the French Revolution brought about massive change but the Jacobins didn’t know what they were doing and thus we had the Reign of Terror which led to Napoleon and a military solution. But someone has referenced Solzhenitsyn somewhere in this thread and he suffered directly the consequences of not standing up to this abuse of power. There were moments during 2020 I thought that the only way to bring people to their senses was to have massive, bloody uprisings. I’m physically encumbered so I couldn’t take part in many of the demonstrations in the UK, which were brutally repressed by the police whilst the disingenuous BLM (actually violent) and XR were given free passes. This enraged me even more. Although many spoke of Reiner F as being controlled opposition I turned to him for that middle ground, some coherent hope in what was, lest we forget, an awful time. I have no answers and in my rational moments am not someone who thirsts for vengeance but from 2020 there haven’t been that many rational moments. I understand that in Switzerland (may have the country wrong) a citizen has a duty to have a gun in his home to stop government overreach. I used to be one of those ‘liberals’ who thought the ownership of guns was abhorrent but that was when I thought we lived with a benign, if inept, government. But our governments in the West are not benign, they are malignant. Our police forces and justice system are instruments of that malignancy so I am inclined now to think Solzhenitsyn’s point is a potent reminder of what we need to be prepared to do and I don’t think about guns as a way to protect yourself and your loved ones like I did. I’d love to resort to how I used to feel (guns in the wrong hands are disastrous) but then we’d need a benign method of governance. I ‘liked’ Mathew Crawford’s post and I ‘liked’ Toby Rogers response. How do we hold that middle ground? How does forceful resistance NOT metamorphose into a reign of terror?
Too bad they missed the notorious Ursula Haverbeck.
Thanks Mathew. There is a good documentary coming out on January 30th on CHD.TV about all the criminals who were not tried at Nuremburg. A lot ended up in the USA and the UK, as well as south America. Vera Sherav, a holocaust survivor, is the director. If I recall correctly, Fullmich told viewers that his interviews were not in any way focussed on another Nuremburg - that it could never take place. Vera Sherav stated that today, there would not be any allies coming to rescue the prisoners in the death camps. I agree. Thanks again.
I've seen Vera talk and I'm glad to hear of this project.
Cheers.
Reposting from K. Watt's brilliant substack because this quote is an important part of this conversation about accountability and criminals: "Pfizer’s leaders and Pfizer’s employees are mass murdering criminals, for sure, and they should be investigated, prosecuted, tried, convicted and punished along with their government co-conspirators. But Pfizer as a brand is expendable. BioNTech is expendable. Moderna, Emergent Biosolutions, BioPort, EcoHealth Alliance…
All these front companies can be dissolved as many times as needed, and reconstituted under new corporate names as many times as needed. The US military-public health system (DOD+HHS+DHS+DOJ+DOS…) — the infiltrated, semi-overthrown US Government — can't be rebranded once the People understand the mass murder campaign that the imposter senior executive service (SES) officials are operating from within it. The imposter Cabinet secretaries, President Biden/Obama/Harris, the globalist central bankers pulling the strings, and the mass media are all at a crossroads together..." https://bailiwicknews.substack.com/p/why-all-the-breathless-finger-wagging
And, don't forget the Bank of International Settlements (BIS); no doubt it and the Rothschilds behind it are MORE than contributors...It's the Mother Bank of all the World Banks with The Town of London within Greater London AND the surviving European Monarchy HIDDEN IN THE WINGS AS ALWAYS.
Mr. Crawford Please read Bailiwick News to understand USA laws and the immunity given by our government to all players in the Covid Cabal....written by a constitutional scholar Katherine Watt who shows the evolution of these laws from 1983 to the present and how they cover every contingency to assure that we (citizens of the USA) have no recourse in our courts or via our current President or from Congress which has totally abdicated their role and responsibility to the American people...at present we are ruled by our constitutional law, the WEF, WHO, the Department of Health and Human Services and the DOD who implemented the process of subjugating the whole USA and the world...this is war. We have been subjected to a bio weapon, denied our personal sovereignty by draconian laws that have not gone away ....... special powers are still in effect due to perceived or created threat of covid and we are in effect under martial law......whoever perpetrated this crime followed the German playbook provided by the legal system in Germany from the 20s, 30s, and40s and then put the law on steroids to overtake the whole world. We must educate everyone about the realities....this is our future that is at stake and the clock is ticking...I too followed Reiner Fuellmich but he never looked at USA constitutional law or engage Ms. Watt in a discussion which would have changed his focus re what we must all do if he had.
You don't have to tell me. I've been arguing that we were in a post-Constitutional state since my teenage years, over 30 years ago. Not many people can fathom it.
Thank you for writing this. You did such a great job. Much better that I would have. Now I don't have to write it. Just point people towards it. Thanks again.
Thank you for alerting me to how inadequate of a response Nuremberg 2.0 would be. I've been saying that for awhile, especially given last year's barely noticed 75th Anniversary of the original Nuremberg Code, and I have the commemorative book, which is translated into several languages with a commentary by Vera Sharav. The Code was written so that this would never happen again, but I failed to fully recognize how ineffective and unjust the original trials were. And I would certainly never want to be onboard the same leaky boat as Stew Peters.
By the way, I just became a paid subscriber and sent a friend request on FB, since I share your information regularly on FB and recently Twitter.
The ring must be cast into the fire, but we will need quite the fellowship to find the way
Correct.
Hey Mathew, hope all is well. What you are saying in regard to Nuremberg 1.0 is undeniable - so many top Nazi scientists and others were relocated to the US there is a fairly credible argument that we are now living in the 4th Reich and that the Nazis didn't lose WW2, the German people did. As a historian, this is not a controversial argument as far as I am concerned.
But like the Japanese, the Germans did "win", because they got all the state of the art plant and machinery and became economic powerhouses after the war. Funny that, isn't it.
"In case it needs saying: I'm not telling you that there isn't hope. I'm just telling you that it won't be served by official decree."
I think we all know that and when people like myself say "Nuremberg 2.0", it's more of a euphemism/clarion call rather than a hope or expectation. Or perhaps a shorthand for justice. We know it won't happen.
"But if I may venture a guess about what's yet to come, it's that there will be something like a Nuremberg 2.0, and that it will be sponsored by Pfizer and Moderna—or at least the same massive wealth pools that built them and their subsidiaries. "
- OK this is a very disturbing comment, because it resonates with me. Like yourself, I'm not very shabby at trading. I rarely trade cryptos but when I do, I make 150% a week, I am pretty certain you can guess my "strategy" from reading that alone. 😉
Anyway, I work with several regulated entities as a consultant. I have also worked with several high level barristers/QCs (now KCs, I guess) and we have swapped "horror stories". Basically, want to manipulate the global interest rate and cause trillions of dollars of fraud like in LIBOR? No problem! You get a pass and some junior trader goes to prison for fifteen years, none of the top brass who knew it was happening have any repercussions! Trebles all round!
Be a small boutique brokerage and make the smallest of infractions? The book is going to be thrown at you. According to my lawyer friends, this might include a Kafkaesque - plead guilty and go to prison or plead innocent and be struck off from being a director for a regulated entity ever again. Heads we win, tails you lose.
So back to your comment - throw some junior research people under the bus coz Operation Warp Speed maybe? How could we as directors have known, it was all based on faulty data!
Makes the recent Project Veritas thing look a bit more credible as a future direction in that light doesn't it (and no, I think the PV thing was a complete counter-intelligence psyop, and none of the "revelations" were legit).
I enjoyed your comment and understood it until the last paragraph, which hangs as a pretzel in my mind. Can you rephrase?
I traded TIBOR-LIBOR swaps in the late 90s. Yards (yen) of them (notional) at a time.
Sometimes tens of yards. We all knew there was somebody we wanted to kick in the balls, even if we couldn't name them.
Thank you mate.
Nothing wrong with a Carry Trade of course, if that is what you meant. Trading is a zero sum game, it's the ultimate in cutthroat, even if you don't know who you are knifing.
OK, let me attempt to rephrase:
"Makes the recent Project Veritas thing look a bit more credible as a future direction in that light doesn't it (and no, I think the PV thing was a complete counter-intelligence psyop, and none of the "revelations" were legit)."
OK, so basically, if we take this Project Veritas release at face value, Pfizer is employing a junior doctor, with zero expertise in his field, as someone who is one step removed from Bourla and is proclaiming how Pfizer is creating GoF variants to some gay guy he met on GRINDR on a first date?
And this is something we are supposed to take seriously?
Obviously, this guy is a nobody (I think he was set up as a patsy, he thinks he is legit a Pfizer higher-up, but he isn't).
I mean, just for clarification, my friend's wife used to be the number one salesperson for Pfizer in Europe. It took her several years to realize - despite my ongoing warnings - she was working for an evil company and quit (after almost committing suicide after taking Champix to stop smoking).
My point is, throwing junior people under the bus is routine in the financial industry, why shouldn't it be the case with the pharmaceutical industry?
The fact checkers are now out in force saying how this is ridiculous. If Nuremberg 2.0 ever did come to town (which it won't) Pfizer and their ilk can say "these junior people are incompetent, we didn't know".
I know it sounds ridiculous but it's as ridiculous as people fixing LIBOR twice a week, the risk officer "not knowing" and the board of directors "not knowing", despite all of them seeing the resulting profits coming into the bank.
It's a discrediting operation that gives the directors plausible deniability is my point.
Hope that makes sense and your pretzel is now unstuck. 👍
I agree with your idea that most of us use “Nuremberg 2.0” as shorthand for “justice”. But as you both point out, we need to fight for actual accountability, not sideshow theatrics.
with all the film of bigger names lying, I hope we don't have to settle for the smallest fish in the bowl
Macbeth is afoot:
I am in blood
Stepped in so far
That, should I wade no more
Returning were as tedious as go o’er.
You are the biggest bummer of the contrarian campout! I noticed the VICE article about infighting didn't mention you, or Jay, or RFK, or J Rose, or anyone whose acumen and integrity are unassailable.
There is no denying that there is a concerted effort not to say my name.
Eloquently written. No one else makes this point.
There's a lot of similarity with my feeling w folks talking about a new Church Committee. Glenn Greenwald has done some reporting to debunk the myth of its great success, but what seems as important as correcting the record is encouraging the spirit of seeking accountability and scant cases for the public imagination to grab onto until something original is named & working.
I'm all for promoting accountability, but I'd choose a slogan that does not in fact involve the laundering of actual accountability.
Dare to dream.. your lips to Gods ears we evolve beyond hashtags, slogans & talking points! :~)
What slogan would you prefer that conveys a similar message?
I think "End Fascism" and "Prosecute Criminals" work fine.
"Make Rule of Law Great Again"?
I'm more historian than ad man. Surely the Mad Men can sell decency. They can sell everything else.
For me, we need a slogan which says "investigate who was most responsible for the holocaust which was the covid-19 response (not just vaccines) and hold them very, very publicly accountable for the millions of deaths they caused, with harsh punishment, then write laws to prevent this ever happening again" -- which "prosecute criminals" doesn't convey.
Perhaps you see how we got backed into a corner of Nuremberg 2.0 as amateur Mad Men? I understand your frustration, but you correctly see that many of us are advertisers rather than historians.
Accountability For All
Best comment so far!
Meh. I feel the same way about mid-wits who tack "-gate" onto the end of every damn thing involving a scandal. Alas, I'm in the minority.
I'm sometimes irritated with X-gate snowclones, but not morally opposed.
Private Eye did a great satire of that years ago - I-Can't-Help-But-Call-Anything-Controversial-Gate-Gate.
The movie, Judgement at Nuremberg, acknowledged as much. Most of the guilty and culpable were let go for geopolitical considerations. They were a show. Not justice.
The full movie, free, no commercials. Cast included: Spencer Tracy, Burt Lancaster, Werner Klemperer, Marlene Dietrich, Judy Garland, William Shatner
https://archive.org/details/movie-judgment-at-nuremberg-1961
Note: Werner Klemperer was a cousin of Victor Klemperer. Who documented the Third Reich's linguistic assault on society, control the language control society. Orwellian Newspeak. IRL. Good write up by Christopher Hitchens on Victor's literary legacy chronicling the fascist regime's ascension and defeat.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2004/12/survivor/303614/
Discussion of Nuremberg started very early on, as there is a clear correlation to other crimes against humanity. The facts of covid fit such crimes, and the case grows more secure daily. This '2.0 meme' may be another example of malign interlopers who have joined MFM to press their own agenda, much like the 'Amnesty' article. I will be pleasantly surprised if something substantive comes of grand juries and court cases, and we should take heart with every small victory in the courts; as there have been several of mandates being overturned. Most sane human beings crave justice, the crimes are legion, millions are dead, and millions more disabled, so this desire for 'Nuremberg type' trials will not just go away. We can hope it doesn't end up like the 9-11 investigation and hearings, with a foregone conclusion.
We should jail everyone we can, for whatever crimes they committed, and not to easy conditions, then make it clear that they get one hearing a year during which they can name and provide evidence higher up the chain to reduce their sentence to N years, for some N, rather than life. Rinse and repeat.
Could this be the strategy that justifies Steve Kirsch's tactics? He's writing one substack post after another, going after the FAA and their flight surgeon Susan Northrup.
The FAA is obviously far down on the food chain in terms of its responsibility for the vaxx fiasco. I can understand your view that Kirsch should devote some resources to going after the DoD and DMED database instead.
But maybe Kirsch is betting that the pilots, crew and passengers who are at risk , will be able to exert enough pressure to bring the honchos at FAA onto team MFM. Then their motive is to deflect the blame upwards, to the FDA and CDC. The next domino to fall could be the DoD, then the USG, and finally the mega-billionaire bankers and financiers. It's a long road, and I appreciate everyone who is genuinely pursuing justice at whatever level.
This is the best suggestion in this long list of comments.
If a single death has resulted downstream from what someone did or did not do they get life in jail. Sentence can be reduced for every handler they expose.
Bail/Amnesty hearings start in 10 years.
All assets (including revenue from patents) if convicted to be forfeited into vaccine injury fund.
Any company that profited, fined as much as they profited. Any assets to be forfeited to national CITIZEN OWNED essential medicine producer co-operative run by retired volunteers with a permanent citizen supervisor. One (or more as demanded by citizens) co-operative per nation state with shared IP across all nations. Essential medication at cost plus in future.
I completely agree. But we need to keep them under very secure lock and key and probably air defense as there will be powerful criminals wanting to silence them.
"We can hope it doesn't end up like the 9-11 investigation and hearings, with a foregone conclusion"
Or the assasination of President John Fitzgerald Kennedy.
Oddly enough, many of the same 3 letter agencies are also involved in this.
Who watches the watchmen?
It's the same ole song and dance. I have asked those using the phrase, "Assuming Nuremberg 1 was a legit serving of justice, how would such a thing even be possible (much less effective) given that much of the political leadership needed to execute justice, are the same ones who deserve to have it served.