I'm one of the people promoting Nuremberg 2.0. It's not a psyop. It's just something we can organize around to give us a bit of hope, energy, momentum.
There's an entire field of academic study called, "transitional justice" -- what do you do (with the old societal gatekeepers) when a revolution succeeds. I took a class in transitional justice at Berkeley law in 2011 -- and it turns out that the process is always fraught. If you push too far bad things happen (the Soviet Union). If you don't push far enough bad things happen (South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission). It's hard to find the right spot in the middle. Nuremberg is actually held up as the just right in the middle approach.
Someone on Quora asked "How many German war-criminals were executed after the war?"
One of the more fascinating answers was:
"At least 500:
Ten executions at Nuremberg, two suicides to escape execution;
About 280 executions at Landsberg am Lech, the American prison, 250 hangings, 29 by firing-squad. The prisoners were nearly all SS, SD, and Einsatzgruppen personnel.
About 200 executions at Hameln, the British prison. The British held mostly Concentration Camp personnel.
Trials in Occupied Countries: Norway, the Netherlands, France—and the biggest at Krakow, Poland, and Riga, Latvia. Perhaps 50 executions altogether."
If we could hit those sorts of numbers if/when Pharma falls we would be doing great.
All of the points you raise are spot on. We learned the wrong lessons from World War II. Nuremberg did not pursue enough people. Operation Paperclip was abhorrent. In many ways, the Nazis were never defeated, just absorbed into our culture.
But then the task becomes, okay what's better than Nuremberg and how do we get there? It's a really heavy lift. And what often happens is that people slip into nihilism (Pharma's too big, it'll never happen, stop dreaming), and under the circumstances that's not acceptable either.
I'm just saying that the emotional impulse to reach for some sort of justice is understandable. And if someone wants to come up with a better plan than Nuremberg 2.0 I'm all ears.
Thanks Mathew. There is a good documentary coming out on January 30th on CHD.TV about all the criminals who were not tried at Nuremburg. A lot ended up in the USA and the UK, as well as south America. Vera Sherav, a holocaust survivor, is the director. If I recall correctly, Fullmich told viewers that his interviews were not in any way focussed on another Nuremburg - that it could never take place. Vera Sherav stated that today, there would not be any allies coming to rescue the prisoners in the death camps. I agree. Thanks again.
Reposting from K. Watt's brilliant substack because this quote is an important part of this conversation about accountability and criminals: "Pfizer’s leaders and Pfizer’s employees are mass murdering criminals, for sure, and they should be investigated, prosecuted, tried, convicted and punished along with their government co-conspirators. But Pfizer as a brand is expendable. BioNTech is expendable. Moderna, Emergent Biosolutions, BioPort, EcoHealth Alliance…
All these front companies can be dissolved as many times as needed, and reconstituted under new corporate names as many times as needed. The US military-public health system (DOD+HHS+DHS+DOJ+DOS…) — the infiltrated, semi-overthrown US Government — can't be rebranded once the People understand the mass murder campaign that the imposter senior executive service (SES) officials are operating from within it. The imposter Cabinet secretaries, President Biden/Obama/Harris, the globalist central bankers pulling the strings, and the mass media are all at a crossroads together..." https://bailiwicknews.substack.com/p/why-all-the-breathless-finger-wagging
Mr. Crawford Please read Bailiwick News to understand USA laws and the immunity given by our government to all players in the Covid Cabal....written by a constitutional scholar Katherine Watt who shows the evolution of these laws from 1983 to the present and how they cover every contingency to assure that we (citizens of the USA) have no recourse in our courts or via our current President or from Congress which has totally abdicated their role and responsibility to the American people...at present we are ruled by our constitutional law, the WEF, WHO, the Department of Health and Human Services and the DOD who implemented the process of subjugating the whole USA and the world...this is war. We have been subjected to a bio weapon, denied our personal sovereignty by draconian laws that have not gone away ....... special powers are still in effect due to perceived or created threat of covid and we are in effect under martial law......whoever perpetrated this crime followed the German playbook provided by the legal system in Germany from the 20s, 30s, and40s and then put the law on steroids to overtake the whole world. We must educate everyone about the realities....this is our future that is at stake and the clock is ticking...I too followed Reiner Fuellmich but he never looked at USA constitutional law or engage Ms. Watt in a discussion which would have changed his focus re what we must all do if he had.
Thank you for writing this. You did such a great job. Much better that I would have. Now I don't have to write it. Just point people towards it. Thanks again.
Thank you for alerting me to how inadequate of a response Nuremberg 2.0 would be. I've been saying that for awhile, especially given last year's barely noticed 75th Anniversary of the original Nuremberg Code, and I have the commemorative book, which is translated into several languages with a commentary by Vera Sharav. The Code was written so that this would never happen again, but I failed to fully recognize how ineffective and unjust the original trials were. And I would certainly never want to be onboard the same leaky boat as Stew Peters.
Hey Mathew, hope all is well. What you are saying in regard to Nuremberg 1.0 is undeniable - so many top Nazi scientists and others were relocated to the US there is a fairly credible argument that we are now living in the 4th Reich and that the Nazis didn't lose WW2, the German people did. As a historian, this is not a controversial argument as far as I am concerned.
But like the Japanese, the Germans did "win", because they got all the state of the art plant and machinery and became economic powerhouses after the war. Funny that, isn't it.
"In case it needs saying: I'm not telling you that there isn't hope. I'm just telling you that it won't be served by official decree."
I think we all know that and when people like myself say "Nuremberg 2.0", it's more of a euphemism/clarion call rather than a hope or expectation. Or perhaps a shorthand for justice. We know it won't happen.
"But if I may venture a guess about what's yet to come, it's that there will be something like a Nuremberg 2.0, and that it will be sponsored by Pfizer and Moderna—or at least the same massive wealth pools that built them and their subsidiaries. "
- OK this is a very disturbing comment, because it resonates with me. Like yourself, I'm not very shabby at trading. I rarely trade cryptos but when I do, I make 150% a week, I am pretty certain you can guess my "strategy" from reading that alone. 😉
Anyway, I work with several regulated entities as a consultant. I have also worked with several high level barristers/QCs (now KCs, I guess) and we have swapped "horror stories". Basically, want to manipulate the global interest rate and cause trillions of dollars of fraud like in LIBOR? No problem! You get a pass and some junior trader goes to prison for fifteen years, none of the top brass who knew it was happening have any repercussions! Trebles all round!
Be a small boutique brokerage and make the smallest of infractions? The book is going to be thrown at you. According to my lawyer friends, this might include a Kafkaesque - plead guilty and go to prison or plead innocent and be struck off from being a director for a regulated entity ever again. Heads we win, tails you lose.
So back to your comment - throw some junior research people under the bus coz Operation Warp Speed maybe? How could we as directors have known, it was all based on faulty data!
Makes the recent Project Veritas thing look a bit more credible as a future direction in that light doesn't it (and no, I think the PV thing was a complete counter-intelligence psyop, and none of the "revelations" were legit).
You are the biggest bummer of the contrarian campout! I noticed the VICE article about infighting didn't mention you, or Jay, or RFK, or J Rose, or anyone whose acumen and integrity are unassailable.
There's a lot of similarity with my feeling w folks talking about a new Church Committee. Glenn Greenwald has done some reporting to debunk the myth of its great success, but what seems as important as correcting the record is encouraging the spirit of seeking accountability and scant cases for the public imagination to grab onto until something original is named & working.
The movie, Judgement at Nuremberg, acknowledged as much. Most of the guilty and culpable were let go for geopolitical considerations. They were a show. Not justice.
The full movie, free, no commercials. Cast included: Spencer Tracy, Burt Lancaster, Werner Klemperer, Marlene Dietrich, Judy Garland, William Shatner
Note: Werner Klemperer was a cousin of Victor Klemperer. Who documented the Third Reich's linguistic assault on society, control the language control society. Orwellian Newspeak. IRL. Good write up by Christopher Hitchens on Victor's literary legacy chronicling the fascist regime's ascension and defeat.
Discussion of Nuremberg started very early on, as there is a clear correlation to other crimes against humanity. The facts of covid fit such crimes, and the case grows more secure daily. This '2.0 meme' may be another example of malign interlopers who have joined MFM to press their own agenda, much like the 'Amnesty' article. I will be pleasantly surprised if something substantive comes of grand juries and court cases, and we should take heart with every small victory in the courts; as there have been several of mandates being overturned. Most sane human beings crave justice, the crimes are legion, millions are dead, and millions more disabled, so this desire for 'Nuremberg type' trials will not just go away. We can hope it doesn't end up like the 9-11 investigation and hearings, with a foregone conclusion.
It's the same ole song and dance. I have asked those using the phrase, "Assuming Nuremberg 1 was a legit serving of justice, how would such a thing even be possible (much less effective) given that much of the political leadership needed to execute justice, are the same ones who deserve to have it served.
I'm one of the people promoting Nuremberg 2.0. It's not a psyop. It's just something we can organize around to give us a bit of hope, energy, momentum.
There's an entire field of academic study called, "transitional justice" -- what do you do (with the old societal gatekeepers) when a revolution succeeds. I took a class in transitional justice at Berkeley law in 2011 -- and it turns out that the process is always fraught. If you push too far bad things happen (the Soviet Union). If you don't push far enough bad things happen (South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission). It's hard to find the right spot in the middle. Nuremberg is actually held up as the just right in the middle approach.
Someone on Quora asked "How many German war-criminals were executed after the war?"
One of the more fascinating answers was:
"At least 500:
Ten executions at Nuremberg, two suicides to escape execution;
About 280 executions at Landsberg am Lech, the American prison, 250 hangings, 29 by firing-squad. The prisoners were nearly all SS, SD, and Einsatzgruppen personnel.
About 200 executions at Hameln, the British prison. The British held mostly Concentration Camp personnel.
Trials in Occupied Countries: Norway, the Netherlands, France—and the biggest at Krakow, Poland, and Riga, Latvia. Perhaps 50 executions altogether."
If we could hit those sorts of numbers if/when Pharma falls we would be doing great.
All of the points you raise are spot on. We learned the wrong lessons from World War II. Nuremberg did not pursue enough people. Operation Paperclip was abhorrent. In many ways, the Nazis were never defeated, just absorbed into our culture.
But then the task becomes, okay what's better than Nuremberg and how do we get there? It's a really heavy lift. And what often happens is that people slip into nihilism (Pharma's too big, it'll never happen, stop dreaming), and under the circumstances that's not acceptable either.
I'm just saying that the emotional impulse to reach for some sort of justice is understandable. And if someone wants to come up with a better plan than Nuremberg 2.0 I'm all ears.
Thanks Mathew. There is a good documentary coming out on January 30th on CHD.TV about all the criminals who were not tried at Nuremburg. A lot ended up in the USA and the UK, as well as south America. Vera Sherav, a holocaust survivor, is the director. If I recall correctly, Fullmich told viewers that his interviews were not in any way focussed on another Nuremburg - that it could never take place. Vera Sherav stated that today, there would not be any allies coming to rescue the prisoners in the death camps. I agree. Thanks again.
Reposting from K. Watt's brilliant substack because this quote is an important part of this conversation about accountability and criminals: "Pfizer’s leaders and Pfizer’s employees are mass murdering criminals, for sure, and they should be investigated, prosecuted, tried, convicted and punished along with their government co-conspirators. But Pfizer as a brand is expendable. BioNTech is expendable. Moderna, Emergent Biosolutions, BioPort, EcoHealth Alliance…
All these front companies can be dissolved as many times as needed, and reconstituted under new corporate names as many times as needed. The US military-public health system (DOD+HHS+DHS+DOJ+DOS…) — the infiltrated, semi-overthrown US Government — can't be rebranded once the People understand the mass murder campaign that the imposter senior executive service (SES) officials are operating from within it. The imposter Cabinet secretaries, President Biden/Obama/Harris, the globalist central bankers pulling the strings, and the mass media are all at a crossroads together..." https://bailiwicknews.substack.com/p/why-all-the-breathless-finger-wagging
Mr. Crawford Please read Bailiwick News to understand USA laws and the immunity given by our government to all players in the Covid Cabal....written by a constitutional scholar Katherine Watt who shows the evolution of these laws from 1983 to the present and how they cover every contingency to assure that we (citizens of the USA) have no recourse in our courts or via our current President or from Congress which has totally abdicated their role and responsibility to the American people...at present we are ruled by our constitutional law, the WEF, WHO, the Department of Health and Human Services and the DOD who implemented the process of subjugating the whole USA and the world...this is war. We have been subjected to a bio weapon, denied our personal sovereignty by draconian laws that have not gone away ....... special powers are still in effect due to perceived or created threat of covid and we are in effect under martial law......whoever perpetrated this crime followed the German playbook provided by the legal system in Germany from the 20s, 30s, and40s and then put the law on steroids to overtake the whole world. We must educate everyone about the realities....this is our future that is at stake and the clock is ticking...I too followed Reiner Fuellmich but he never looked at USA constitutional law or engage Ms. Watt in a discussion which would have changed his focus re what we must all do if he had.
Thank you for writing this. You did such a great job. Much better that I would have. Now I don't have to write it. Just point people towards it. Thanks again.
Thank you for alerting me to how inadequate of a response Nuremberg 2.0 would be. I've been saying that for awhile, especially given last year's barely noticed 75th Anniversary of the original Nuremberg Code, and I have the commemorative book, which is translated into several languages with a commentary by Vera Sharav. The Code was written so that this would never happen again, but I failed to fully recognize how ineffective and unjust the original trials were. And I would certainly never want to be onboard the same leaky boat as Stew Peters.
The ring must be cast into the fire, but we will need quite the fellowship to find the way
Hey Mathew, hope all is well. What you are saying in regard to Nuremberg 1.0 is undeniable - so many top Nazi scientists and others were relocated to the US there is a fairly credible argument that we are now living in the 4th Reich and that the Nazis didn't lose WW2, the German people did. As a historian, this is not a controversial argument as far as I am concerned.
But like the Japanese, the Germans did "win", because they got all the state of the art plant and machinery and became economic powerhouses after the war. Funny that, isn't it.
"In case it needs saying: I'm not telling you that there isn't hope. I'm just telling you that it won't be served by official decree."
I think we all know that and when people like myself say "Nuremberg 2.0", it's more of a euphemism/clarion call rather than a hope or expectation. Or perhaps a shorthand for justice. We know it won't happen.
"But if I may venture a guess about what's yet to come, it's that there will be something like a Nuremberg 2.0, and that it will be sponsored by Pfizer and Moderna—or at least the same massive wealth pools that built them and their subsidiaries. "
- OK this is a very disturbing comment, because it resonates with me. Like yourself, I'm not very shabby at trading. I rarely trade cryptos but when I do, I make 150% a week, I am pretty certain you can guess my "strategy" from reading that alone. 😉
Anyway, I work with several regulated entities as a consultant. I have also worked with several high level barristers/QCs (now KCs, I guess) and we have swapped "horror stories". Basically, want to manipulate the global interest rate and cause trillions of dollars of fraud like in LIBOR? No problem! You get a pass and some junior trader goes to prison for fifteen years, none of the top brass who knew it was happening have any repercussions! Trebles all round!
Be a small boutique brokerage and make the smallest of infractions? The book is going to be thrown at you. According to my lawyer friends, this might include a Kafkaesque - plead guilty and go to prison or plead innocent and be struck off from being a director for a regulated entity ever again. Heads we win, tails you lose.
So back to your comment - throw some junior research people under the bus coz Operation Warp Speed maybe? How could we as directors have known, it was all based on faulty data!
Makes the recent Project Veritas thing look a bit more credible as a future direction in that light doesn't it (and no, I think the PV thing was a complete counter-intelligence psyop, and none of the "revelations" were legit).
Macbeth is afoot:
I am in blood
Stepped in so far
That, should I wade no more
Returning were as tedious as go o’er.
You are the biggest bummer of the contrarian campout! I noticed the VICE article about infighting didn't mention you, or Jay, or RFK, or J Rose, or anyone whose acumen and integrity are unassailable.
Eloquently written. No one else makes this point.
There's a lot of similarity with my feeling w folks talking about a new Church Committee. Glenn Greenwald has done some reporting to debunk the myth of its great success, but what seems as important as correcting the record is encouraging the spirit of seeking accountability and scant cases for the public imagination to grab onto until something original is named & working.
Meh. I feel the same way about mid-wits who tack "-gate" onto the end of every damn thing involving a scandal. Alas, I'm in the minority.
The movie, Judgement at Nuremberg, acknowledged as much. Most of the guilty and culpable were let go for geopolitical considerations. They were a show. Not justice.
The full movie, free, no commercials. Cast included: Spencer Tracy, Burt Lancaster, Werner Klemperer, Marlene Dietrich, Judy Garland, William Shatner
https://archive.org/details/movie-judgment-at-nuremberg-1961
Note: Werner Klemperer was a cousin of Victor Klemperer. Who documented the Third Reich's linguistic assault on society, control the language control society. Orwellian Newspeak. IRL. Good write up by Christopher Hitchens on Victor's literary legacy chronicling the fascist regime's ascension and defeat.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2004/12/survivor/303614/
Discussion of Nuremberg started very early on, as there is a clear correlation to other crimes against humanity. The facts of covid fit such crimes, and the case grows more secure daily. This '2.0 meme' may be another example of malign interlopers who have joined MFM to press their own agenda, much like the 'Amnesty' article. I will be pleasantly surprised if something substantive comes of grand juries and court cases, and we should take heart with every small victory in the courts; as there have been several of mandates being overturned. Most sane human beings crave justice, the crimes are legion, millions are dead, and millions more disabled, so this desire for 'Nuremberg type' trials will not just go away. We can hope it doesn't end up like the 9-11 investigation and hearings, with a foregone conclusion.
Who watches the watchmen?
It's the same ole song and dance. I have asked those using the phrase, "Assuming Nuremberg 1 was a legit serving of justice, how would such a thing even be possible (much less effective) given that much of the political leadership needed to execute justice, are the same ones who deserve to have it served.