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So encouraging to see so many substackers attacking this issue from such a variety of angles. Thank you for your work!

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Nov 2, 2022
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For this specific post, yes. To understand likely origin and the possible thought process in engineering. So far no surprises, but I just like seeing consistent conclusions from different people and approaches.

Hopefully you also gathered from the video the message that science is more about questioning and gaining wisdom rather than 100% truth. That is the science side of things, but of course there is truth with respect to people's actions.

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Nov 2, 2022
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I'm unsure what this is about, but it doesn't seem particularly productive.

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I'll delete it, MC.

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That's up to you, of course. But it seems like there was something on your mind that wasn't fleshed out.

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Excellent. My Wednesday night is sorted. I’ll be extra interested in this discussion since I watched the cowardly attacks of him on Twitter. Don’t they realise that it just makes people more determined to prove their case?

One thought I had today are what are the mathematical odds of having excess deaths at basically the same 16-17% for the UK, Australia & the EU in 2022 ? They claim it’s lockdown induced, much of Australia wasn’t locked down only Victoria & occasionally NSW yet we have the same figures as EU & UK ? Seems odd that different countries, with different timelines would have exactly the same results.

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Interesting point, indeed.

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I think they’re using the same playbook. I don’t know about EU but NSW and UK surveillance data and footnotes are very similar. They have similar explanations for why the vaccinated data looks “bad” at first glance but it’s actually “good” news ‘cause you know “science.” Don’t know about death data but it doesn’t surprise me.

You know us colonials always look to the mother country for guidance.

Look forward to watching the video.

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I’m not talking about deaths from known Covid infections but excess deaths over what is the norm. It’s 17% basically yet with all the variables between the countries it’s the same for at least the EU, UK & Australia.

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Interesting co-incidence given the differences in climate and demographics etc.

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Powerful point that.

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Do Alex and Kevin believe that we had a viral pandemic with a novel pathogen?

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I don't want to speak for them, but it appears that way.

Even if most of the harms we saw during the pandemic were not caused by it, there was something making people sick in a new way (low oxygen, anosmia in new proportions, etc.).

But ultimately, at the root level, you can view Alex's work as based on the sequence provided. It is another debate as to whether or not that is the sequence of what caused the novel symptomology. I lean toward the novel virus being real, but think that the explanation of an infectious clone has a great deal of merit. That seems like the most likely explanation to me at this point.

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Does it blow your mind (it does mine) that three years in, we have very little consensus on what actually launched this nightmare?

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Yes and no. That just identifies it as one of the Big Lies of history.

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It's just weird.

I'm reading this post by Amy and a guest post.

https://sukwan.substack.com/p/covid-quarantine-care-in-thailand

And my own exp. getting Covid.

And trying to make it mesh with Mike Yeadon's latest declarations that a novel pathogenic pandemic DID NOT HAPPEN.

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Maybe not a correct interpretation but for me Yeadon & JJ Couey have the same theory that the virus was not novel in that our immune systems recognize the stable part of coronavirus so humans do have some immune defenses against SARS-COV-19 as opposed to the idea that the modified virus does not exist.. from that the pandemic was a fraud because the engineered virus w its novel components was not new enough to be the source of a pandemic.. excess deaths were from lack of treatment and combining seasonal pneumonia & influenza deaths to attribute higher mortality than actually resulted from COVID.

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Is a gain of function virus not novel?

Help me understand this notion of "novel" specifically.

"Semi-novel"?

"Quasi-novel"?

"Novel-lite"?

"Diet Novel"?

"Same but different"?

😅

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Okay, forget novel.

Was there a pathogen?

Did the pathogen sicken people?

Let's begin there.

Let's build this house all over again.

Let's Make Coronavirus Great Again.

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"Help me understand this notion of "novel" specifically."

This is a non-science type interpretation so take it with a grain of salt but to my understanding the "novel" insertions that suggest a lab creation do not constitute a novel virus the immune system cannot recognize but emphasized to promote fear about some previously unknown pathogen our bodies are defenseless against & also have no known treatment to justify EUA vaccines.

You would probably benefit greatly from a detailed explanation by Jonathan Couey who knows the science details well enough to differentiate between terms that have a basis in science and terms hyped to promote the political agenda like this "Immuno-mythology" piece.

https://rumble.com/v1njgpu-national-immunomythology-update-gigaohm-biological-briefing-couey-oct-10-20.html

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How about a LESS DETAILED explanation, such as:

Yes, a pathogen did in fact infect and sicken people.

Or,

No, a pathogen did not infect and sicken people.

Or,

We still do not know if a pathogen infected and sickened people.

Perfectly valid answer. "I don't know" is always acceptable.

And one PROBABLY shouldn't have to wade through 90m to get to the most basic questions laid out and answered.

I'm not saying this is simple, but at some point (now), can we start cutting to the chase about what we actually know and don't know.

Because I have this giant sense that a whole lot of Smarties disagree and that we are just never going to get to it.

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I think you and I used to hang out on Twitter.

Did we discuss Marianne Williamson one time?

And religion and cults and stuff?

Sorry if that was not you.

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None of those topics would be meish discussions.. my focus is toxic politics & amplifying whistleblowers and leaks.. emphasis is Rockefeller-Gates - Monsanto petrochemicals/gmo crops and covert empire.. only segue into religion would be Vatican Bank kinda detour :~)

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1) By definition, there never was a covid pandemic since the thing never met the well-established criterion of 3 or 4 percent mortality rate (figures I remember from decades ago, when there was science).

2) There may be no virus (vide Dr. Yeadon).

3) "There is something out there." (Dr. Tenpenny)

Yes, and no one has put their finger on it. Definitely pathogens and toxins.

4) As per Dr. David Martin, the spike protein is a listed bioweapon. This bioweapon´s ideal vector of delivery is by needle, yet there seem to be other, much less efficient vectors that need exploring. They are key to the covid affair.

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Can you point to the documentation of the spike being a "listed bioweapon"?

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Dr. Michael Callahan was in Wuhan in late 2019 studying a virus that was infecting people. A "smart bomb" of infectivity.

Dr. Robert Malone was contacted and asked to "spin up a team". 😅

A lot of people did get sick. Me included. With something.

Oh by the way.

We don't know if there ever even was a virus, per Dr. Mike Yeadon.

Amazing.

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I am but an innocent bystander here, so from the horse´s mouth: "And the scheduled pathogen is defined under three different parts of the code, but it specifically includes genetic sequences derived from—are you ready for this—SARS coronavirus. That’s actually a scheduled, known toxin on the scheduled list of biological weapons in the United States code.”

https://www.oom2.com/t79067-dr-david-martins-lawsuit-against-biden-the-covid-injection-is-a-bioweapon

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So, if I read you correctly, with regards to a pathogen.

The answer is:

We don't know.

We don't actually know.

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Attn: World: We don't know if there was a pathogen at all.

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Im sorry but its just not true that anosmia and hypoxia are novel symptoms for respiratory tract infections.

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I happen to think that our government was behind this. I never subscribed to the narrative. Thankfully, I live in Texas. Husband got sick. Home test was positive. Doc in the box test wasn’t. Nurse said he had Covid pneumonia. Took the cocktail they offered. Got Ivermetcin and Hyd. He recovered.

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Glad to hear of his recovery!

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This was indeed a great discussion. My internet crapped out on me while it was live but watching the rest this morning tipped me over the edge into a monthly subscription. You guys are doing excellent work dissecting and presenting these complex issues. Looking forward to seeing how this all grows :)

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Thank you.

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Well that was fantastic Mat, thanks to the others as well. Exactly how I think re probabilities & overlayed by known information ! Which I just assumed was how normal people think & run their lives . Now that I know the slices/ pieces are neat, organised for repeatability & fit with sars I know my initial assessment is definitely correct. Very interesting that the proposed vaccines for the bats also fits too. It’s was like every jigsaw piece came together like a magnet.

This is as you said, the full picture until it can be proved wrong. We all know that they will never find the original intermediate “animal“

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"It is noteworthy that YouTube demonetized our video just minutes into the livestream."

Any idea Why demonetized? ("lab-created" seems disappointingly stale) outside the generalized "Repeated violations of the Community Guidelines or Terms of Service," a purposely conflicted totalitarian-speak keeping people up on their toes cuz, like a kicked dog, they never know when or why it's coming, causing a terminal state of consternation, self-censorship, and mind control. Which also, by the way, spotlights slow learners scheduled for phase-two attention or simple elimination.

A statistical analysis could provide insight into their thinking, that is, what they want us to think and what not. Purposely presenting degrees of prohibited thought would quantify their trigger threshold. I assume Google's algorithm is continually updated with our email data processed through artificial intelligence, possibly individually and personally targeted.

Can an Ai be hacked, or is it too smart for that? Shouldn't we be developing a counterintelligence program rather than just taking their slaps? Those slaps are good data going to waste.

Our totalitarian State in full swing won't have a list of prohibited thoughts, instead we'll have a list of solely approved thought reinforced by individualized billboards and media programming which can't be turned off. Luckily, by then, it won't matter because our brain structure will have physically changed and we will be happy.

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YouTube doesn't share reasons, if they have them.

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I need to ask, why the move to locals? Why the "insider" access?

I see some substacks put up a big scary post of "you need to see this!!!11!" but the lock it behind a paywall. if it is that important, they should be willing to post it purely for the benefit of society/spreading knowledge. Is this what your doing with your move to locals and insider access? I'm not interested in a parallel society that is still based on one sided profit/worship on currency(read: not real money).

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I’m with J. Couey on this, that while knowing it was a lab leak is important, we shouldn’t let that distract us from the fact that they are still pushing the at-best useless shots., and all the other nonsense they are burdening us with.

The booster rocket gets the payload to space. Once that’s accomplished, demolishing the booster no longer affects the outcome of the mission.

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Where is Tiffany Dover? Solve that one!

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