The wife of a man I know had severe vertigo after the first 2 jabs. She lives on a houseboat, but had to sleep in her car for 6 weeks. I mentioned it may be the jabs, was scoffed at. Now, a few months after her booster, it seems her liver is doing very badly, and biopsies are scheduled. I had sent my family Dr. Bhakti's first video back in Feb (2019 or 2020) and her husband told me I just don't understand numbers, or I would be all good with the whackscene program. I am done trying to help anybody in this, if they can't see it by now....
People who have been conned, and find out that they've been conned, have two reactions - either they get pissed off at whoever conned them, or they want to share their misery with other - schadenfreude can be fun, sometimes...
"But it would be nice to see the dialogue happen a little more politely" -- that lack of politeness is the key.
Coronamania is an excuse for people to unleash their hostility, to attack others and to feel superior doing so.
Now the fashionable cause is Ukraine and attacking Russia. It is shameful that Gergiev was banned from performing, but it is ludicrous that Russian cats were banned from international competition.
I have nothing against dialogue, but what is needed more than dialogue is derision.
Mar 5, 2022·edited Mar 5, 2022Liked by Mathew Crawford
A really great post—thank you! I never thought of the angle that people can game the system before. I assure you, as a practicing physician, every clinic session I have with my primary care patients I find at least one or two people with incomplete vaccination data. This is despite the fact that I use an electronic medical record that does bring in outside data, and my has an immunization registry. I have had multiple people with multiple courses of the two shot regiments, that are erroneous (I always ask my patients);more commonly many people area missing either the primary series or a booster shot. It is deeply frustrating. As a result, I trust no American studies, at least none from the CDC or my state, that have vaccination status as a variable unless they really describe in detail how they verified the vaccination status.
If you want to talk about sloppy, have a look at CDC vaccination categories...unvaccinated...fully vaccinated with two doses...boosted.
Where is the single dose category?
In the footnotes, the CDC mentions the 14 day waiting period. The short version is that anyone within the 14 day waiting period gets moved to the prior vaccination status.
This means that someone who got a single dose and is in the waiting period gets moved into the unvaccinated category. Also, someone who got two doses and is in the waiting period gets moved into the single dose category.
Where is the single dose category in all these CDC reports???
I'll bet you dollars to donuts that anyone who isn't fully vaccinated gets lumped into the "unvaccinated" category.
It’s a worrying time when personal, anecdotal evidence is scoffed at like it’s a lie on its face. Not one person I know, or even know of (have ever met even briefly at any time), has died from covid. I know one person who was in the hospital. I do, however, know one person who has pericarditis, of one person with acute kidney failure (awaiting transplant) and collapsed lungs, of two people who have died from recurrent, hyper aggressive cancers which were in remission previously, and another who now has brain cancer whose breast cancer was also in remission for years—after receiving the vaccines. It is difficult to justify this as coincidence, since even if it is, these people are forever gone and damaged, and simply saying it’s coincidence seems like a heartless, severely lacking explanation, and also ignores any lesson we might learn from the tragedies.
Just hearing about this exchange makes me recoil. It's become toxic trying to reason with those who are "all-in." Some from the "pro-vaxx" camp have adapted both an attitude of superiority and a manner of engaging that oozes vitriol. Perhaps they were always this sort of person, but now they've been give permission to let their inner-nasty out by the powers that be, such as Biden's winter of death and Trudeau's "these people take up space."
Those on the pro-vaxx side of the "war," who would benefit from understanding what has happened to the "pursuit" of science over the past several decades. This article sum up very well how pharma money not only infiltrated but destroyed what were previously gold standards:
The data I'd love to see, even though we never will- how many people got more than the recommended doses of a particular 'vaccine'? How many took more than one type of 'vaccine'? How many lied to get underage children the 'vaccine' early? How many lied about pre-existing conditions in order to be first in line for boosters?
The fact that we allowed these products to be administered all over the world without needing review from a physician beforehand, just grab and go style, on systems that did not communicate with eachother, is beyond incompetence. Pure negligence. Of course, when you scare the shit out of people and convince them they are going to die, they will do desperate things.
My 3 children live in heavily vaxxed eastern MA. They are exposed to a 1,000, actually 10’s of 1,000’s of people between their careers and social lives, and haven’t experienced a single person that’s been ill or has died. They’ve seen plenty of Covid survivors at least making them aware that vaccines aren’t effective, but haven’t seen it as disabling or deadly.
None of this will reach that tipping point or critical mass until the numbers are too large for MSM to hide any longer or public figures, (athletes, celebrities, etc) are harmed. For them, for now, life goes on. Same people doing the same thing every day. This report can’t compete with that. Yet.
In Canada many many people were forced to take the vaxx, in the late fall (or early winter) of 2021, to retain their employment. Some of these people have been feeling quite ill, for months now, since their 2nd dose. These such people are PISSED. They want justice, and since that can't be had, they wish it all would just burn down (our rotten civilization), at this point. Upcoming innings, on this covid thing, are going to be even more awful. No more public trust now. I think there are puppeteers that control the face of our institutions, that want this. Puppets (like Trudeau for instance) are now in big big trouble, existential-wise, as per many in the populace that feel they now want their pound of flesh, one way or the other. I believe the puppet masters want it that way. That is why the corps of institution, like the WEF's 'global young leaders', are filled with people of air-headed intelligence level (no allegiance to truth or reality), such faces of our institutions are easily controlled because of this carefully chosen and curated intellectual vacuousness. As such, one must wonder, ... when the puppet-masters allow their current kabuki theater to be burned down, and are in fact egging on such, .... what more awful hall of smoke and mirrors will it be replaced with?
It's time to go after the puppet masters, right now, forthwith, with no more delays, before it is too late. Every single person in the whole world, with a family wealth (inclusive of family charitable trusts, and the like) with more than 100 million dollars in net assets, needs to be put in the very information technology cages they are attempting to put us all in, except exceedingly more draconian (every utterance and key stoke must be monitored), to be obsessed over among the regular populace. What institution could take up the mantel of this worthy endeavor? I see only one ..... a reformed Holy Roman Catholic Church. Best we get on with the necessary reformation of the Holy Roman Catholic Church forthwith. This won't happen without a bottom up (grassroots) approach. I will be finally returning to church, very soon now, (after two years! of BS), and when I do I will seek out my pastor, and have a heart-to-heart, around this topic. Every devout Christian must now do this.
I am in NY and know quite a few people with fake vax cards. Early on, when the shot first came out, they were easy (yet expensive) to get and were the legitimate cards, left empty for you to fill out yourself. Then they were knock off cards, that would probably hold up if you laminated them (think fake tickets for a concert in the 90’s). Recently haven’t heard much about them. But you definitely have a good point about the data.
I'm wondering whether an adjuvant in the vaccine may play a wider role. Surgical "injury" for me required seventeen days (whereas a hospital stay overnight had been anticipated) Neurological symptoms mostly, which varied from day to day over the following months. A few months into this, covid rolls in. One year later, vaccines - common neurological symptoms reported by the vaccine injured. Was the same adjuvant in the anesthesia? Not being a researcher or a doctor, the local hospital system unlikely to come clean - I shall never know.
How about the fact that the different manufacturers have different amounts of mRNA in them (100micrograms in Moderna dose vs 30 for Pfizer). All of these variables further skew the data. No lonterm understanding of side effects. Regardless, I know more vaccine injured people that covid injured. 17 year old - heart attack after booster, 77 year old - died of unexplained hemorrhaging after her vaccine round. My niece has numbness and seizures in her legs after getting the jab. Seems Ike a viscious game of Russian Roulette. No thanks.
If AVP wants for Mutual Friend to stick to facts and precision, the simplest thing to ask AVP what precisely are the facts that lead AVP to the conclusion that dosing beyond recommendations can cause heart issues? What, according to AVP's argument, is the mechanism for action regarding how doses cause heart issues?
I get that this is essentially what you are framing up in your numbered points. But it's always worth asking people to state clearly in their own words what their reasoning process is, especially when these are the people who are demanding the rest of us stay clearly in the realm of precise facts and consensus observation. If they feel they have led themselves to the most factual, most consensual, most reliable inferences, they should know precisely how they got there. And given AVP is making a case that it's "antivax" to ignore that extra doses of the vax can cause heart issues, it's worth exploring how provax people think that any* doses can cause heart issues, and what they think are explanations *why* these vaxxes can cause heart issues.
AVP is already making an antivax case —or at least an "anti-mandate" case— if AVP acknowledges there is an inherent risk factor in *how* the vaxxes interact with the body to produce "heart issues." Even if they make the case that the "risk is worth it" to prevent one's own suffering from contracting COVID-19 from SARS-CoV-2 infection, it's also "worth it" to explore how they came to recognize transfecting a person to manufacture inside themselves a hybridized Spike protein modeled off of *a variation* of the SC2 Spike protein causes that person heart issues, isn't it?
And hopefully, AVP and anyone like him won't be models of "sloppy" reasoning. Hopefully, they give *precise* facts so that we can understand what *precisely* is the mechanism through which transfected Spike and immune system-bypassing LNPs can cause heart issues under these conditions.
What are the psychological effects that will result when a vaxxer becomes convinced that the vax is the cause of the onset of their illness or potentially dangerous to their health? Do we really want to bring them into the knowledge for their benefit or is it for our own vindication? If/when the truth of this vax comes out into the public, we are going to have a complex mental health, biological health, and institutional crisis.
A Revealing Vaccine Adverse Event(s) Story
The wife of a man I know had severe vertigo after the first 2 jabs. She lives on a houseboat, but had to sleep in her car for 6 weeks. I mentioned it may be the jabs, was scoffed at. Now, a few months after her booster, it seems her liver is doing very badly, and biopsies are scheduled. I had sent my family Dr. Bhakti's first video back in Feb (2019 or 2020) and her husband told me I just don't understand numbers, or I would be all good with the whackscene program. I am done trying to help anybody in this, if they can't see it by now....
People who have been conned, and find out that they've been conned, have two reactions - either they get pissed off at whoever conned them, or they want to share their misery with other - schadenfreude can be fun, sometimes...
"But it would be nice to see the dialogue happen a little more politely" -- that lack of politeness is the key.
Coronamania is an excuse for people to unleash their hostility, to attack others and to feel superior doing so.
Now the fashionable cause is Ukraine and attacking Russia. It is shameful that Gergiev was banned from performing, but it is ludicrous that Russian cats were banned from international competition.
I have nothing against dialogue, but what is needed more than dialogue is derision.
A really great post—thank you! I never thought of the angle that people can game the system before. I assure you, as a practicing physician, every clinic session I have with my primary care patients I find at least one or two people with incomplete vaccination data. This is despite the fact that I use an electronic medical record that does bring in outside data, and my has an immunization registry. I have had multiple people with multiple courses of the two shot regiments, that are erroneous (I always ask my patients);more commonly many people area missing either the primary series or a booster shot. It is deeply frustrating. As a result, I trust no American studies, at least none from the CDC or my state, that have vaccination status as a variable unless they really describe in detail how they verified the vaccination status.
If you want to talk about sloppy, have a look at CDC vaccination categories...unvaccinated...fully vaccinated with two doses...boosted.
Where is the single dose category?
In the footnotes, the CDC mentions the 14 day waiting period. The short version is that anyone within the 14 day waiting period gets moved to the prior vaccination status.
This means that someone who got a single dose and is in the waiting period gets moved into the unvaccinated category. Also, someone who got two doses and is in the waiting period gets moved into the single dose category.
Where is the single dose category in all these CDC reports???
I'll bet you dollars to donuts that anyone who isn't fully vaccinated gets lumped into the "unvaccinated" category.
It’s a worrying time when personal, anecdotal evidence is scoffed at like it’s a lie on its face. Not one person I know, or even know of (have ever met even briefly at any time), has died from covid. I know one person who was in the hospital. I do, however, know one person who has pericarditis, of one person with acute kidney failure (awaiting transplant) and collapsed lungs, of two people who have died from recurrent, hyper aggressive cancers which were in remission previously, and another who now has brain cancer whose breast cancer was also in remission for years—after receiving the vaccines. It is difficult to justify this as coincidence, since even if it is, these people are forever gone and damaged, and simply saying it’s coincidence seems like a heartless, severely lacking explanation, and also ignores any lesson we might learn from the tragedies.
Just hearing about this exchange makes me recoil. It's become toxic trying to reason with those who are "all-in." Some from the "pro-vaxx" camp have adapted both an attitude of superiority and a manner of engaging that oozes vitriol. Perhaps they were always this sort of person, but now they've been give permission to let their inner-nasty out by the powers that be, such as Biden's winter of death and Trudeau's "these people take up space."
Those on the pro-vaxx side of the "war," who would benefit from understanding what has happened to the "pursuit" of science over the past several decades. This article sum up very well how pharma money not only infiltrated but destroyed what were previously gold standards:
https://medium.com/@bexstrong/big-pharma-corruption-and-lawsuits-amidst-covid-vaccine-c734a494b776
The data I'd love to see, even though we never will- how many people got more than the recommended doses of a particular 'vaccine'? How many took more than one type of 'vaccine'? How many lied to get underage children the 'vaccine' early? How many lied about pre-existing conditions in order to be first in line for boosters?
The fact that we allowed these products to be administered all over the world without needing review from a physician beforehand, just grab and go style, on systems that did not communicate with eachother, is beyond incompetence. Pure negligence. Of course, when you scare the shit out of people and convince them they are going to die, they will do desperate things.
My 3 children live in heavily vaxxed eastern MA. They are exposed to a 1,000, actually 10’s of 1,000’s of people between their careers and social lives, and haven’t experienced a single person that’s been ill or has died. They’ve seen plenty of Covid survivors at least making them aware that vaccines aren’t effective, but haven’t seen it as disabling or deadly.
None of this will reach that tipping point or critical mass until the numbers are too large for MSM to hide any longer or public figures, (athletes, celebrities, etc) are harmed. For them, for now, life goes on. Same people doing the same thing every day. This report can’t compete with that. Yet.
In Canada many many people were forced to take the vaxx, in the late fall (or early winter) of 2021, to retain their employment. Some of these people have been feeling quite ill, for months now, since their 2nd dose. These such people are PISSED. They want justice, and since that can't be had, they wish it all would just burn down (our rotten civilization), at this point. Upcoming innings, on this covid thing, are going to be even more awful. No more public trust now. I think there are puppeteers that control the face of our institutions, that want this. Puppets (like Trudeau for instance) are now in big big trouble, existential-wise, as per many in the populace that feel they now want their pound of flesh, one way or the other. I believe the puppet masters want it that way. That is why the corps of institution, like the WEF's 'global young leaders', are filled with people of air-headed intelligence level (no allegiance to truth or reality), such faces of our institutions are easily controlled because of this carefully chosen and curated intellectual vacuousness. As such, one must wonder, ... when the puppet-masters allow their current kabuki theater to be burned down, and are in fact egging on such, .... what more awful hall of smoke and mirrors will it be replaced with?
It's time to go after the puppet masters, right now, forthwith, with no more delays, before it is too late. Every single person in the whole world, with a family wealth (inclusive of family charitable trusts, and the like) with more than 100 million dollars in net assets, needs to be put in the very information technology cages they are attempting to put us all in, except exceedingly more draconian (every utterance and key stoke must be monitored), to be obsessed over among the regular populace. What institution could take up the mantel of this worthy endeavor? I see only one ..... a reformed Holy Roman Catholic Church. Best we get on with the necessary reformation of the Holy Roman Catholic Church forthwith. This won't happen without a bottom up (grassroots) approach. I will be finally returning to church, very soon now, (after two years! of BS), and when I do I will seek out my pastor, and have a heart-to-heart, around this topic. Every devout Christian must now do this.
I am in NY and know quite a few people with fake vax cards. Early on, when the shot first came out, they were easy (yet expensive) to get and were the legitimate cards, left empty for you to fill out yourself. Then they were knock off cards, that would probably hold up if you laminated them (think fake tickets for a concert in the 90’s). Recently haven’t heard much about them. But you definitely have a good point about the data.
I'm wondering whether an adjuvant in the vaccine may play a wider role. Surgical "injury" for me required seventeen days (whereas a hospital stay overnight had been anticipated) Neurological symptoms mostly, which varied from day to day over the following months. A few months into this, covid rolls in. One year later, vaccines - common neurological symptoms reported by the vaccine injured. Was the same adjuvant in the anesthesia? Not being a researcher or a doctor, the local hospital system unlikely to come clean - I shall never know.
How about the fact that the different manufacturers have different amounts of mRNA in them (100micrograms in Moderna dose vs 30 for Pfizer). All of these variables further skew the data. No lonterm understanding of side effects. Regardless, I know more vaccine injured people that covid injured. 17 year old - heart attack after booster, 77 year old - died of unexplained hemorrhaging after her vaccine round. My niece has numbness and seizures in her legs after getting the jab. Seems Ike a viscious game of Russian Roulette. No thanks.
If AVP wants for Mutual Friend to stick to facts and precision, the simplest thing to ask AVP what precisely are the facts that lead AVP to the conclusion that dosing beyond recommendations can cause heart issues? What, according to AVP's argument, is the mechanism for action regarding how doses cause heart issues?
I get that this is essentially what you are framing up in your numbered points. But it's always worth asking people to state clearly in their own words what their reasoning process is, especially when these are the people who are demanding the rest of us stay clearly in the realm of precise facts and consensus observation. If they feel they have led themselves to the most factual, most consensual, most reliable inferences, they should know precisely how they got there. And given AVP is making a case that it's "antivax" to ignore that extra doses of the vax can cause heart issues, it's worth exploring how provax people think that any* doses can cause heart issues, and what they think are explanations *why* these vaxxes can cause heart issues.
AVP is already making an antivax case —or at least an "anti-mandate" case— if AVP acknowledges there is an inherent risk factor in *how* the vaxxes interact with the body to produce "heart issues." Even if they make the case that the "risk is worth it" to prevent one's own suffering from contracting COVID-19 from SARS-CoV-2 infection, it's also "worth it" to explore how they came to recognize transfecting a person to manufacture inside themselves a hybridized Spike protein modeled off of *a variation* of the SC2 Spike protein causes that person heart issues, isn't it?
And hopefully, AVP and anyone like him won't be models of "sloppy" reasoning. Hopefully, they give *precise* facts so that we can understand what *precisely* is the mechanism through which transfected Spike and immune system-bypassing LNPs can cause heart issues under these conditions.
Silly me. I naturally assumed the “A” in AVP stood for asshole. Six of one, half dozen of another, as they say.
What are the psychological effects that will result when a vaxxer becomes convinced that the vax is the cause of the onset of their illness or potentially dangerous to their health? Do we really want to bring them into the knowledge for their benefit or is it for our own vindication? If/when the truth of this vax comes out into the public, we are going to have a complex mental health, biological health, and institutional crisis.