The wife of a man I know had severe vertigo after the first 2 jabs. She lives on a houseboat, but had to sleep in her car for 6 weeks. I mentioned it may be the jabs, was scoffed at. Now, a few months after her booster, it seems her liver is doing very badly, and biopsies are scheduled. I had sent my family Dr. Bhakti's first video back in Feb (2019 or 2020) and her husband told me I just don't understand numbers, or I would be all good with the whackscene program. I am done trying to help anybody in this, if they can't see it by now....
I don't know how long it's been since I gave up. I don't know what it is, but people are dead set on doing whatever the powers that be say. No amount of reason will suffice. The only thing that has a slight impact is when they or someone in their household is injured.
I kind of had an idea of the potential for a disaster of this scale. I took a course in my final year of uni on the history of disease. I spent months looking at the response the Spanish Flu. The research I did, looking back, is laughable. The one thing that stuck out is the prof saying, in one of the final lessons about the AIDS, that we need to be more critical than ever because decisions about health are consolidated in the hands of fewer and fewer people.
In Japan we were months behind the world. We were closed off. Things have been really nice, to be quite honest. I kept a close eye on all of the decision makers, Fauci, Walensky etc. I kept on eye on Israel, England, Scotland, Denmark... Wherever there was data and whoever who could help me get to the truth - The truth is I think these vaccines are dangerous. I couldn't imagine putting them in my body. I don't trust the folks behind them. They've been proven wrong time and again without consequence.
I guess it comes down to who you believe, where you get your information and how trusting you are. I don't want to believe that there has been an ulterior motive throughout all of these two years, guiding mankind toward destruction, but part of me feels that way. Every day I see things that lead me to that conclusion. Every morning I wake up and nothing changes. People still hold beliefs about these vaccines that should have been shattered a year ago. But, they hold on. Worse, they come back and ask for seconds, thirds, boosts... And they won't have anyone to blame, in my opinion.
The say curiosity killed the cat. Well, thankfully we are not cats. I won't die for my curiosity. And, like you, I'm done trying to pull people's heads out of their asses.
"People still hold beliefs about these vaccines that should have been shattered a year ago. But, they hold on. Worse, they come back and ask for seconds, thirds, boosts... "
David - I met one of these types in the gym the other day. My chin about hit the floor. I couldn't believe how strong his faith in the vaxx still is. At one point he said, "We just have to make sure we get boosters every year." I can't even imagine what goes on inside of his head.
They weren’t taught any critical thinking skills. It’s quite shocking really that generations who have imbibed the cynicism of Jerry Seinfeld and South Park are in reality incredibly gullible. PT Barnum couldn’t imagine people like this in his dreams.
Same with a bodybuilder (who is gay) I know....he is still super duper down with the whackscene.......I think he probs takes steroids too, etc, to build up, so the mindset is one of supplementation for health....all I can say is tick...tick....tick....
I am not optimistic about waking up any of the maskees.
What I am working on is letting everyone know that I am not drinking in the narrative. So then they know that they can talk with me when they start to question.
Don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen though.
Getting covid (pretty rough) and then recovering has made it much easier to tell such folks to f*off when necessary. I no longer feel obligated to explain my position.
If you researched the Spanish Flu - did you find that it is actually cover for mass vaccine injuries? They had massive vaccination campaigns before the "Spanish Flu". The "flu" spread in a manner unlike a flu, and had symptoms unlike a flu.
It's easy to see how the doctors of that era, who previously poisoned people with vaccines, would react to resulting mass deaths by waving them away with a "flu" narrative.
There was a presentation on this starting at 1:27:30 in Session 82 of the Corona Investigative Committee. Direct link to this timestamp:
They conducted the most disgusting experiments where the patients literally coughed into healthy volunteers, and no one got this "influenza". However, when they conducted the same experiments in a prison outbreak, they were able to successfully spread "sore throat".
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. My current position is that the mysterious parasitic cabal doesn't see this as destructive at all. Clearly humanity has proven itself to think and act like a cancer upon the earth, over and over again. We clearly are defective. But they remember how the host killed itself the last time. But now, thanks to "THE SCIENCE!", the parasites have solved the riddle. Yes, the path forward is going to be painful and appear unfair evil (what a joke humans still use that word), but after this massive mRNA raping and pillaging, life will be better than ever before.
You are right to be mistrustful. If you want to get a feel for just how right you are (and it has been going on for a lot longer than two years) read "The Real Anthony Fauci".
My husband’s co-worker is huge vax supporter & promoter. Shortly after his booster he was on his treadmill and had to be rushed to the hospital for issues with his heart. The doctors never mentioned any connection to the booster and he doesn’t believe there is any connection. This is a guy that never had health issues before. Some people do not want to connect the dots. And it doesn’t help that the doctors won’t either.
True story: My 52 year old very heathy friend was cycling away on his Peleton last year and he dropped dead of a heart attack. No vaccine as this was in Dec 2020 before the vaccines were available. Anecdotes are interesting but don't prove much. I am waiting for enough anecdotes to become data. (Don't pile on me people, have an open mind.)
So you've read nothing about the sky-rocketing cases of myocarditis? The young athletes dropping dead on the field in crazy numbers? If you want hard data, I suggest you go to Unacceptable Jessica substack--data analyst, PhD, brilliant. She's got all of it laid out in fine detail--graphs et al. As just a quick note for numbers: According to Dr. Peter McCullough, most published cardiologist in history, an average year for myocarditis in young people in the USA is between about 400 and 800 cases +/-. In 2021, the recorded cases (and there were certainly more) were about 13,000. Danger signal much?
Cardiac sudden death was a reality before Covid and clotshots. I lost one of my best friends whose age was 70 who died on a routine run. He had previously competed in several Hawaii Ironman’s and had zero history of cardiac illness. The numbers now are clear, though, the anecdotes are now an epidemic. We won’t get the direct data directly from public health services, but Mathew, Steve, Jessica, Peter and many others are doing and have done enough to expose that these aren’t anecdotes any longer.
We're now at 480 dead since vaccine rollout, and the dip in February suggests that Dec/Jan were peak athlete heart attacks (assuming they don't keep getting injections).
This does not account for cancers and other issues that may also develop.
Fair point, but you need to read the substacks of the folks suggest by 'ScottandJodi'. The data is piling up. Interestingly, all cause mortality (mainly due to heart attacks) was actually higher in the vaccinated group than in the control group in the Pfizer clinical trials! Of course this little fact was never acknowledged by Fauci and company. See minute eight of this video: https://rumble.com/vqx3kb-the-pfizer-inoculations-do-more-harm-than-good.html .
I'd like to offer up some optimism in the form of booster rates in the US. Only a few states have hit 50% boosted among the previously vaxxed. Some states as low as 25-35%. This is a huge dropoff, in most of US the majority is two-shot-no-booster. The boosted are a minority, like us. (Unless all the numbers are hopelessly compromised).
All those people originally trusted the narrative and then for various reasons decided not to. Maybe they tuned out. Maybe they started hearing about side effects. But don't you think at least some of them were helped by people like you speaking out? If you know people in this category, what were their reasons for passing on booster?
I know there's still a decent slice of hard core AVPs out there. My point is that the massive booster drop off suggests the middle is huge in US, and it's soft, and turned against the propaganda narrative in this case.
Thank You MRF, perhaps they have avoided some harm and that is positive...unlike a computer, there is no undo....but folks have def. signed off that booster. When they come around for round 2 will it be an oral genetic therapy, or gmo pills next time....its like we have to break up BigPharma and the alphabet agencies involved, like a mafia family...a corporation of corporations......at least some are jumping ship on their own, wonder if there are any new 'defectors' this week....?
Agree that a lot of people are done with the vaccine madness. I talk about this a lot with my patients and friends; they say that the booster was for the original virus, they had the primary series, they may have gotten Covid or their vaccinated friends did or their unvaccinated friends did and most everyone is doing fine so they’re deciding to just wait. Meanwhile, Fauci continues to tout boosters; he is just clueless in my opinion.
There is no point in trying to educate these people. Their minds are made up and they think you and I are stupid conspiracy theorists. They have been propagandized to the point that if the TeeVee tells them to line up for a third or forth or fifth dose of Kool-aid, they will do so, willingly.
What we are seeing is Darwinism on an intellectual basis. Thinking seems too hard for these people. They are willing to let someone else tell them what is good for them without applying reason or logic to their own circumstance. The results are inevitable.
I don't feel sorry for them. If someone, out of fear and hysteria, willingly gets "vaccinated" and wants to wear a mask all day, maybe they are too stupid to live. Nature is taking care of this.
thanks Jeff, I can only say I had made the vax appointment 'cuz i was sposed to' and all my 'friends' were doing it...but the day of the appt. I just felt queasy about it, didn't want to go. I do not force myself to do things, don't push anymore. Skipped the appt. Obstinent defiant disorder saved my life I am sure, I already had Covid very early Nov 2019, and am low weight (130 lbs), have a PEG allergy and a Formaldehyde allergy. . I am in the highest risk group for reactions. Pretty sure I would be dead or want to be dead, just an intuition. best
I can actually relate to this. I did NOT want the shot. A heavy situation arose in our family which required travel. I COULD have stayed home, but it would have been heartbreaking. Prayer brought the realization that God can move in any direction He wishes. I felt protected.
Since Fauci is now God of $cience incarnate, and the Vatican was pushin the jabs too (where is that Pope guy, anyway, heard he is ill?) those prayers were already slanted quite heavily in a crooked direction.
I am someone who has had episodic severe vertigo about 4 times in 30 years. Since the vaccine campaign began, I will speculate that I have had minor vertigo whenever hanging around with people who have recently been vaxxed, a day or two in bed taking a lot of charcoal and no caffeine helps. One of my less conventional doctors thinks it’s reaction to the spike protein and has me on a detox protocol. I don’t understand people thinking that a rapidly produced, untested long term, injected substance can’t have implications.
Pages and pages....of implications...Judy MiKovitch on Childrens Health Defense recently, she is such a amazing intellect, goes deep on the mechanisms and additional diseases that are embedded in the jab...and her story, rough but shes amazing..best
I starting reading Mitkovits' "Plague of Corruption" early last year but when she accused Fauci of murder I felt it was too much and put it down. However after having read TRAF I have new respect for her. Fauci is a very dark character, as is Gates.
Yes, black hole kinda dark, I was 20 in the time of the (1st?) Aids epidemic, and remember watching folks die of it, only to know now how damaging the first treatments were, killing them faster. To realize the WWI and WWII eugenicists never left the building, so to speak...
The issue at hand is, it's too late for them. Now, it's just seems like a inner desire to Make Wrong. I am right, you are wrong. That's not healthy. AND... that bell (the jab) can't be un-rung.
People who have been conned, and find out that they've been conned, have two reactions - either they get pissed off at whoever conned them, or they want to share their misery with other - schadenfreude can be fun, sometimes...
I projected outward my schadenfreude many years ago before this moment was apparent. I was pushed away for all attempts to explain where we were headed with respect to economics (top-down centralization), education (brainwashing factories), and information warfare. Now I just want for those around me, and those who wish to rebuild without those poisons, to survive and thrive in the next era.
This is what we all want, Mathew, but problem is that they are not ready. Many are still deeply in the narrative, believe the unvaccinated and outspoken are their enemy. They are the equivalent of Good Nazis who will be frogmarched in a daze through the concentration camps after WWII. There is, happily, a large "middle" that can be reached, but unfortunately, while these people may have shifted on covid, they are balls deep in propaganda of the next crisis (we need to go to war with Russia).
I worry about all that, to be sure. But there are few modes to defeat them head on. Right now those with control can invent economic catastrophy and war to whatever degree suits their purposes. In most places, they can order targeted assassinations. When I meditate on solutions, the path seems like a long and careful one that involves education and a lot of dodging harms---like we all have to get good a half dozen forms of jujitsu: social jujitsu, economic jujitsu, logic jujitsu, and so forth.
“Now I just want for those around me, and those who wish to rebuild without those poisons, to survive and thrive in the next era.“
Kind of where I’m at now, too. We are at the start of what will likely be a long war, one that started a long time ago (see Isaiah 14:12-15). Me, I’m 64 and have had many good years. But I have grandkids with 2 more on the way. Not cool to steal their youths.
The Great Bifurcation. For those in our camp the next era is going to be exciting. Start finding your freedoms in this unfree world. Once people's unit of account is done in terms of satoshi's it's going to be a wild ride but for the better.
Indeed, there's little point in trying to convince anyone now. Inevitably most such people have a whole vocabulary list of terms to label anyone who disagrees with them so that they can shut down their own critical thought and wrap themselves in narrative. It's sad, because I work with PhDs who literally say things like "I just do what the corporation tells me, if they want me to wear a mask, I wear a mask, if they tell me not to wear one, I dont wear one...."
It's amazing because I would have only expected to hear such utterances from some union worker on a dangerous job site, but these midwits are convinced that compliance is the only smart thing.
At least in the U.S., lots of people own guns meaning that the game theory of hunting down the disobedient doesn't look good for the average citizen. At that point, it's the militarized police people would need to worry about. That means that there are at least some levels of political restraint and solutions. I'm not optimistic about American politics, but there are lines that cannot be crossed easily for the purpose of systematic murder, so that's something.
Exactly when they are vaxxed and subsequently red pillled they have an overload of cognitive dissonance and they become very angry, hostile and defensive. They deny any possibility of a grain of truth. My 50 year old son hasn’t spoken yet me for 11 months after I told him he destroyed his innate immune system. He attempted to justify his decision by stating it was required by his employer. He took jab #1 in April 2021 and jab #2 in May 2021. No employer was mandating the vaccinations at that time. His job has been and continues to be remote at home work providing software tech support and their main office was closed for onsite work since March 2020. It’s really sad that the propaganda has successfully managed to pit family and friends against each other with their dump truck of lies, cover ups and suppression of alternative news . I’m a pure blood 72 year old and I continue to live a normal life and haven’t become ill, nor have I been tested. Most importantly, I don’t have TV service so I have remained propaganda free. TV and mainstream media have done enormous damage to people’s mental health and mass psychosis.
As Richard Helms once said about the media to a family friend back when he was running the CIA "Ignore that crap. It is all propaganda." Of course, as the man who ran Project Mockingbird he would know.
"But it would be nice to see the dialogue happen a little more politely" -- that lack of politeness is the key.
Coronamania is an excuse for people to unleash their hostility, to attack others and to feel superior doing so.
Now the fashionable cause is Ukraine and attacking Russia. It is shameful that Gergiev was banned from performing, but it is ludicrous that Russian cats were banned from international competition.
I have nothing against dialogue, but what is needed more than dialogue is derision.
A really great post—thank you! I never thought of the angle that people can game the system before. I assure you, as a practicing physician, every clinic session I have with my primary care patients I find at least one or two people with incomplete vaccination data. This is despite the fact that I use an electronic medical record that does bring in outside data, and my has an immunization registry. I have had multiple people with multiple courses of the two shot regiments, that are erroneous (I always ask my patients);more commonly many people area missing either the primary series or a booster shot. It is deeply frustrating. As a result, I trust no American studies, at least none from the CDC or my state, that have vaccination status as a variable unless they really describe in detail how they verified the vaccination status.
If you want to talk about sloppy, have a look at CDC vaccination categories...unvaccinated...fully vaccinated with two doses...boosted.
Where is the single dose category?
In the footnotes, the CDC mentions the 14 day waiting period. The short version is that anyone within the 14 day waiting period gets moved to the prior vaccination status.
This means that someone who got a single dose and is in the waiting period gets moved into the unvaccinated category. Also, someone who got two doses and is in the waiting period gets moved into the single dose category.
Where is the single dose category in all these CDC reports???
I'll bet you dollars to donuts that anyone who isn't fully vaccinated gets lumped into the "unvaccinated" category.
It’s a worrying time when personal, anecdotal evidence is scoffed at like it’s a lie on its face. Not one person I know, or even know of (have ever met even briefly at any time), has died from covid. I know one person who was in the hospital. I do, however, know one person who has pericarditis, of one person with acute kidney failure (awaiting transplant) and collapsed lungs, of two people who have died from recurrent, hyper aggressive cancers which were in remission previously, and another who now has brain cancer whose breast cancer was also in remission for years—after receiving the vaccines. It is difficult to justify this as coincidence, since even if it is, these people are forever gone and damaged, and simply saying it’s coincidence seems like a heartless, severely lacking explanation, and also ignores any lesson we might learn from the tragedies.
Just hearing about this exchange makes me recoil. It's become toxic trying to reason with those who are "all-in." Some from the "pro-vaxx" camp have adapted both an attitude of superiority and a manner of engaging that oozes vitriol. Perhaps they were always this sort of person, but now they've been give permission to let their inner-nasty out by the powers that be, such as Biden's winter of death and Trudeau's "these people take up space."
Those on the pro-vaxx side of the "war," who would benefit from understanding what has happened to the "pursuit" of science over the past several decades. This article sum up very well how pharma money not only infiltrated but destroyed what were previously gold standards:
The data I'd love to see, even though we never will- how many people got more than the recommended doses of a particular 'vaccine'? How many took more than one type of 'vaccine'? How many lied to get underage children the 'vaccine' early? How many lied about pre-existing conditions in order to be first in line for boosters?
The fact that we allowed these products to be administered all over the world without needing review from a physician beforehand, just grab and go style, on systems that did not communicate with eachother, is beyond incompetence. Pure negligence. Of course, when you scare the shit out of people and convince them they are going to die, they will do desperate things.
There are a shockingly large number of reports in VAERS that are of underage vaccine recipients. The total number is surely far higher than we know given the underreporting rates of VAERS and the fact that many of those reports acknowledge violations of law.
My 3 children live in heavily vaxxed eastern MA. They are exposed to a 1,000, actually 10’s of 1,000’s of people between their careers and social lives, and haven’t experienced a single person that’s been ill or has died. They’ve seen plenty of Covid survivors at least making them aware that vaccines aren’t effective, but haven’t seen it as disabling or deadly.
None of this will reach that tipping point or critical mass until the numbers are too large for MSM to hide any longer or public figures, (athletes, celebrities, etc) are harmed. For them, for now, life goes on. Same people doing the same thing every day. This report can’t compete with that. Yet.
I'm getting similar "no adverse effects to see here" reports from California's Marin County.
Perhaps mostly placebo doses in some areas?
It is a phase III clinical trial, no?
One friend reported that her family injected in Fairfax County, Virginia had no ill effects, but their son injected in rural North Carolina did suffer harm...
Months ago poet Linh Dinh wrote that the vaxx is causing cases, and gave the example of his native Vietnam. Just today Metatron made a similar claim regarding the Northern Mariana Islands.
The vaxx increasing cases would explain why the WEF World Government, which is profiting greatly off the plandemic and relishing its dictatorial control, has been relentless in pushing the vaxx. As I never tire of repeating, if the vaxx worked, it would be illegal.
In Canada many many people were forced to take the vaxx, in the late fall (or early winter) of 2021, to retain their employment. Some of these people have been feeling quite ill, for months now, since their 2nd dose. These such people are PISSED. They want justice, and since that can't be had, they wish it all would just burn down (our rotten civilization), at this point. Upcoming innings, on this covid thing, are going to be even more awful. No more public trust now. I think there are puppeteers that control the face of our institutions, that want this. Puppets (like Trudeau for instance) are now in big big trouble, existential-wise, as per many in the populace that feel they now want their pound of flesh, one way or the other. I believe the puppet masters want it that way. That is why the corps of institution, like the WEF's 'global young leaders', are filled with people of air-headed intelligence level (no allegiance to truth or reality), such faces of our institutions are easily controlled because of this carefully chosen and curated intellectual vacuousness. As such, one must wonder, ... when the puppet-masters allow their current kabuki theater to be burned down, and are in fact egging on such, .... what more awful hall of smoke and mirrors will it be replaced with?
It's time to go after the puppet masters, right now, forthwith, with no more delays, before it is too late. Every single person in the whole world, with a family wealth (inclusive of family charitable trusts, and the like) with more than 100 million dollars in net assets, needs to be put in the very information technology cages they are attempting to put us all in, except exceedingly more draconian (every utterance and key stoke must be monitored), to be obsessed over among the regular populace. What institution could take up the mantel of this worthy endeavor? I see only one ..... a reformed Holy Roman Catholic Church. Best we get on with the necessary reformation of the Holy Roman Catholic Church forthwith. This won't happen without a bottom up (grassroots) approach. I will be finally returning to church, very soon now, (after two years! of BS), and when I do I will seek out my pastor, and have a heart-to-heart, around this topic. Every devout Christian must now do this.
I liked your comment for the first half, where you framed the problem.
The second half, where you proposed a solution, is arguably weak, as the RC Church is much more thoroughly infiltrated and corrupted than I think you yet realize. But there are still a minority of good priests and many good parishioners, especially in the more "trad" congregations. As you seek a good parish, I encourage you to also explore your Orthodox Christian options as well, as they spring from the same root and I have found more "based" priests and congregation members among the Orthodox. But the Sabbatean-Frankists infiltrators have been subverting the Orthodox patriarchates as well, so be alert. I recently met Metropolitan Joseph of the Antiochian Orthodox Christian archdiocese of North America, and judge him to be a good man and a sincere Christian. He admitted falling for The Narrative for the first few weeks and appears to regret having submitted to the Covidians during the first Great Lent of the C19-psyop.
I am a lifelong Catholic and a catechist and Church musician. I wish what we hear from those in management (the clergy and episcopacy, LOL) was more consistent and faithful. But humans in charge will be humans in charge...
Anyway, hang out with the good, strong, faithful ones. And the resistant lay-folk, and you'll be fine 😉
I am in NY and know quite a few people with fake vax cards. Early on, when the shot first came out, they were easy (yet expensive) to get and were the legitimate cards, left empty for you to fill out yourself. Then they were knock off cards, that would probably hold up if you laminated them (think fake tickets for a concert in the 90’s). Recently haven’t heard much about them. But you definitely have a good point about the data.
I'm wondering whether an adjuvant in the vaccine may play a wider role. Surgical "injury" for me required seventeen days (whereas a hospital stay overnight had been anticipated) Neurological symptoms mostly, which varied from day to day over the following months. A few months into this, covid rolls in. One year later, vaccines - common neurological symptoms reported by the vaccine injured. Was the same adjuvant in the anesthesia? Not being a researcher or a doctor, the local hospital system unlikely to come clean - I shall never know.
How about the fact that the different manufacturers have different amounts of mRNA in them (100micrograms in Moderna dose vs 30 for Pfizer). All of these variables further skew the data. No lonterm understanding of side effects. Regardless, I know more vaccine injured people that covid injured. 17 year old - heart attack after booster, 77 year old - died of unexplained hemorrhaging after her vaccine round. My niece has numbness and seizures in her legs after getting the jab. Seems Ike a viscious game of Russian Roulette. No thanks.
If AVP wants for Mutual Friend to stick to facts and precision, the simplest thing to ask AVP what precisely are the facts that lead AVP to the conclusion that dosing beyond recommendations can cause heart issues? What, according to AVP's argument, is the mechanism for action regarding how doses cause heart issues?
I get that this is essentially what you are framing up in your numbered points. But it's always worth asking people to state clearly in their own words what their reasoning process is, especially when these are the people who are demanding the rest of us stay clearly in the realm of precise facts and consensus observation. If they feel they have led themselves to the most factual, most consensual, most reliable inferences, they should know precisely how they got there. And given AVP is making a case that it's "antivax" to ignore that extra doses of the vax can cause heart issues, it's worth exploring how provax people think that any* doses can cause heart issues, and what they think are explanations *why* these vaxxes can cause heart issues.
AVP is already making an antivax case —or at least an "anti-mandate" case— if AVP acknowledges there is an inherent risk factor in *how* the vaxxes interact with the body to produce "heart issues." Even if they make the case that the "risk is worth it" to prevent one's own suffering from contracting COVID-19 from SARS-CoV-2 infection, it's also "worth it" to explore how they came to recognize transfecting a person to manufacture inside themselves a hybridized Spike protein modeled off of *a variation* of the SC2 Spike protein causes that person heart issues, isn't it?
And hopefully, AVP and anyone like him won't be models of "sloppy" reasoning. Hopefully, they give *precise* facts so that we can understand what *precisely* is the mechanism through which transfected Spike and immune system-bypassing LNPs can cause heart issues under these conditions.
What are the psychological effects that will result when a vaxxer becomes convinced that the vax is the cause of the onset of their illness or potentially dangerous to their health? Do we really want to bring them into the knowledge for their benefit or is it for our own vindication? If/when the truth of this vax comes out into the public, we are going to have a complex mental health, biological health, and institutional crisis.
Knowing what made you sick can be quite helpful in recovering or treating the illness. I would want to know why........and who......might be responsible. The resulting anger may be channeled into healing, or activism of self or others....otherwise folks die in confusion, not knowing why. Denying they are victims of BigPharma is not a good thing for the future.
The wife of a man I know had severe vertigo after the first 2 jabs. She lives on a houseboat, but had to sleep in her car for 6 weeks. I mentioned it may be the jabs, was scoffed at. Now, a few months after her booster, it seems her liver is doing very badly, and biopsies are scheduled. I had sent my family Dr. Bhakti's first video back in Feb (2019 or 2020) and her husband told me I just don't understand numbers, or I would be all good with the whackscene program. I am done trying to help anybody in this, if they can't see it by now....
I don't know how long it's been since I gave up. I don't know what it is, but people are dead set on doing whatever the powers that be say. No amount of reason will suffice. The only thing that has a slight impact is when they or someone in their household is injured.
I kind of had an idea of the potential for a disaster of this scale. I took a course in my final year of uni on the history of disease. I spent months looking at the response the Spanish Flu. The research I did, looking back, is laughable. The one thing that stuck out is the prof saying, in one of the final lessons about the AIDS, that we need to be more critical than ever because decisions about health are consolidated in the hands of fewer and fewer people.
In Japan we were months behind the world. We were closed off. Things have been really nice, to be quite honest. I kept a close eye on all of the decision makers, Fauci, Walensky etc. I kept on eye on Israel, England, Scotland, Denmark... Wherever there was data and whoever who could help me get to the truth - The truth is I think these vaccines are dangerous. I couldn't imagine putting them in my body. I don't trust the folks behind them. They've been proven wrong time and again without consequence.
I guess it comes down to who you believe, where you get your information and how trusting you are. I don't want to believe that there has been an ulterior motive throughout all of these two years, guiding mankind toward destruction, but part of me feels that way. Every day I see things that lead me to that conclusion. Every morning I wake up and nothing changes. People still hold beliefs about these vaccines that should have been shattered a year ago. But, they hold on. Worse, they come back and ask for seconds, thirds, boosts... And they won't have anyone to blame, in my opinion.
The say curiosity killed the cat. Well, thankfully we are not cats. I won't die for my curiosity. And, like you, I'm done trying to pull people's heads out of their asses.
"People still hold beliefs about these vaccines that should have been shattered a year ago. But, they hold on. Worse, they come back and ask for seconds, thirds, boosts... "
David - I met one of these types in the gym the other day. My chin about hit the floor. I couldn't believe how strong his faith in the vaxx still is. At one point he said, "We just have to make sure we get boosters every year." I can't even imagine what goes on inside of his head.
They weren’t taught any critical thinking skills. It’s quite shocking really that generations who have imbibed the cynicism of Jerry Seinfeld and South Park are in reality incredibly gullible. PT Barnum couldn’t imagine people like this in his dreams.
Same with a bodybuilder (who is gay) I know....he is still super duper down with the whackscene.......I think he probs takes steroids too, etc, to build up, so the mindset is one of supplementation for health....all I can say is tick...tick....tick....
...only to have them kill the messenger....instead of killing the messenger RNA.!...best to you...
I am not optimistic about waking up any of the maskees.
What I am working on is letting everyone know that I am not drinking in the narrative. So then they know that they can talk with me when they start to question.
Don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen though.
Getting covid (pretty rough) and then recovering has made it much easier to tell such folks to f*off when necessary. I no longer feel obligated to explain my position.
I don't explain, just let them know that I don't agree with them.
If you researched the Spanish Flu - did you find that it is actually cover for mass vaccine injuries? They had massive vaccination campaigns before the "Spanish Flu". The "flu" spread in a manner unlike a flu, and had symptoms unlike a flu.
It's easy to see how the doctors of that era, who previously poisoned people with vaccines, would react to resulting mass deaths by waving them away with a "flu" narrative.
There was a presentation on this starting at 1:27:30 in Session 82 of the Corona Investigative Committee. Direct link to this timestamp:
https://odysee.com/@Corona-Investigative-Committee:5/session-82-en:1?t=5250
I also strongly recommend reading this brief and devastating 1919 article by Milton Rosenau - Experiments to Determine Mode of Spread of Influenza:
https://files.catbox.moe/60djqh.pdf
They conducted the most disgusting experiments where the patients literally coughed into healthy volunteers, and no one got this "influenza". However, when they conducted the same experiments in a prison outbreak, they were able to successfully spread "sore throat".
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. My current position is that the mysterious parasitic cabal doesn't see this as destructive at all. Clearly humanity has proven itself to think and act like a cancer upon the earth, over and over again. We clearly are defective. But they remember how the host killed itself the last time. But now, thanks to "THE SCIENCE!", the parasites have solved the riddle. Yes, the path forward is going to be painful and appear unfair evil (what a joke humans still use that word), but after this massive mRNA raping and pillaging, life will be better than ever before.
For the very, very few who survive without permanent injury and without loss or permanent injury of loved ones?
You are right to be mistrustful. If you want to get a feel for just how right you are (and it has been going on for a lot longer than two years) read "The Real Anthony Fauci".
My husband’s co-worker is huge vax supporter & promoter. Shortly after his booster he was on his treadmill and had to be rushed to the hospital for issues with his heart. The doctors never mentioned any connection to the booster and he doesn’t believe there is any connection. This is a guy that never had health issues before. Some people do not want to connect the dots. And it doesn’t help that the doctors won’t either.
thanks...and those whitecoats aren't doctors, anymore, just shills. $$$$$$$$$$$$$
True story: My 52 year old very heathy friend was cycling away on his Peleton last year and he dropped dead of a heart attack. No vaccine as this was in Dec 2020 before the vaccines were available. Anecdotes are interesting but don't prove much. I am waiting for enough anecdotes to become data. (Don't pile on me people, have an open mind.)
So you've read nothing about the sky-rocketing cases of myocarditis? The young athletes dropping dead on the field in crazy numbers? If you want hard data, I suggest you go to Unacceptable Jessica substack--data analyst, PhD, brilliant. She's got all of it laid out in fine detail--graphs et al. As just a quick note for numbers: According to Dr. Peter McCullough, most published cardiologist in history, an average year for myocarditis in young people in the USA is between about 400 and 800 cases +/-. In 2021, the recorded cases (and there were certainly more) were about 13,000. Danger signal much?
Cardiac sudden death was a reality before Covid and clotshots. I lost one of my best friends whose age was 70 who died on a routine run. He had previously competed in several Hawaii Ironman’s and had zero history of cardiac illness. The numbers now are clear, though, the anecdotes are now an epidemic. We won’t get the direct data directly from public health services, but Mathew, Steve, Jessica, Peter and many others are doing and have done enough to expose that these aren’t anecdotes any longer.
This article is being continuously updated with new entries of dead athletes:
https://goodsciencing.com/covid/athletes-suffer-cardiac-arrest-die-after-covid-shot/
We're now at 480 dead since vaccine rollout, and the dip in February suggests that Dec/Jan were peak athlete heart attacks (assuming they don't keep getting injections).
This does not account for cancers and other issues that may also develop.
Fair point, but you need to read the substacks of the folks suggest by 'ScottandJodi'. The data is piling up. Interestingly, all cause mortality (mainly due to heart attacks) was actually higher in the vaccinated group than in the control group in the Pfizer clinical trials! Of course this little fact was never acknowledged by Fauci and company. See minute eight of this video: https://rumble.com/vqx3kb-the-pfizer-inoculations-do-more-harm-than-good.html .
I'd like to offer up some optimism in the form of booster rates in the US. Only a few states have hit 50% boosted among the previously vaxxed. Some states as low as 25-35%. This is a huge dropoff, in most of US the majority is two-shot-no-booster. The boosted are a minority, like us. (Unless all the numbers are hopelessly compromised).
All those people originally trusted the narrative and then for various reasons decided not to. Maybe they tuned out. Maybe they started hearing about side effects. But don't you think at least some of them were helped by people like you speaking out? If you know people in this category, what were their reasons for passing on booster?
I know there's still a decent slice of hard core AVPs out there. My point is that the massive booster drop off suggests the middle is huge in US, and it's soft, and turned against the propaganda narrative in this case.
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/pharmacy/states-ranked-by-booster-rates.html
Thank You MRF, perhaps they have avoided some harm and that is positive...unlike a computer, there is no undo....but folks have def. signed off that booster. When they come around for round 2 will it be an oral genetic therapy, or gmo pills next time....its like we have to break up BigPharma and the alphabet agencies involved, like a mafia family...a corporation of corporations......at least some are jumping ship on their own, wonder if there are any new 'defectors' this week....?
Agree that a lot of people are done with the vaccine madness. I talk about this a lot with my patients and friends; they say that the booster was for the original virus, they had the primary series, they may have gotten Covid or their vaccinated friends did or their unvaccinated friends did and most everyone is doing fine so they’re deciding to just wait. Meanwhile, Fauci continues to tout boosters; he is just clueless in my opinion.
There is no point in trying to educate these people. Their minds are made up and they think you and I are stupid conspiracy theorists. They have been propagandized to the point that if the TeeVee tells them to line up for a third or forth or fifth dose of Kool-aid, they will do so, willingly.
What we are seeing is Darwinism on an intellectual basis. Thinking seems too hard for these people. They are willing to let someone else tell them what is good for them without applying reason or logic to their own circumstance. The results are inevitable.
I don't feel sorry for them. If someone, out of fear and hysteria, willingly gets "vaccinated" and wants to wear a mask all day, maybe they are too stupid to live. Nature is taking care of this.
thanks Jeff, I can only say I had made the vax appointment 'cuz i was sposed to' and all my 'friends' were doing it...but the day of the appt. I just felt queasy about it, didn't want to go. I do not force myself to do things, don't push anymore. Skipped the appt. Obstinent defiant disorder saved my life I am sure, I already had Covid very early Nov 2019, and am low weight (130 lbs), have a PEG allergy and a Formaldehyde allergy. . I am in the highest risk group for reactions. Pretty sure I would be dead or want to be dead, just an intuition. best
Obstinent defiant disorder is NOT a disorder. It might have saved your life.
We have family who said they prayed about whether to get the shots or not, and got them. Not sure how to process that.
I can actually relate to this. I did NOT want the shot. A heavy situation arose in our family which required travel. I COULD have stayed home, but it would have been heartbreaking. Prayer brought the realization that God can move in any direction He wishes. I felt protected.
I also hedged our bets with IVM.
So far so good
God bless you and my family to be healthy.
Since Fauci is now God of $cience incarnate, and the Vatican was pushin the jabs too (where is that Pope guy, anyway, heard he is ill?) those prayers were already slanted quite heavily in a crooked direction.
Natural selection of the wise.
I am someone who has had episodic severe vertigo about 4 times in 30 years. Since the vaccine campaign began, I will speculate that I have had minor vertigo whenever hanging around with people who have recently been vaxxed, a day or two in bed taking a lot of charcoal and no caffeine helps. One of my less conventional doctors thinks it’s reaction to the spike protein and has me on a detox protocol. I don’t understand people thinking that a rapidly produced, untested long term, injected substance can’t have implications.
Pages and pages....of implications...Judy MiKovitch on Childrens Health Defense recently, she is such a amazing intellect, goes deep on the mechanisms and additional diseases that are embedded in the jab...and her story, rough but shes amazing..best
I starting reading Mitkovits' "Plague of Corruption" early last year but when she accused Fauci of murder I felt it was too much and put it down. However after having read TRAF I have new respect for her. Fauci is a very dark character, as is Gates.
Yes, black hole kinda dark, I was 20 in the time of the (1st?) Aids epidemic, and remember watching folks die of it, only to know now how damaging the first treatments were, killing them faster. To realize the WWI and WWII eugenicists never left the building, so to speak...
The issue at hand is, it's too late for them. Now, it's just seems like a inner desire to Make Wrong. I am right, you are wrong. That's not healthy. AND... that bell (the jab) can't be un-rung.
I am working on this myself. Trying to just let it go. Be friendly. And always hope for the best.
Statistical insignificance argument folks make rhymes with eat your pets...
People who have been conned, and find out that they've been conned, have two reactions - either they get pissed off at whoever conned them, or they want to share their misery with other - schadenfreude can be fun, sometimes...
I projected outward my schadenfreude many years ago before this moment was apparent. I was pushed away for all attempts to explain where we were headed with respect to economics (top-down centralization), education (brainwashing factories), and information warfare. Now I just want for those around me, and those who wish to rebuild without those poisons, to survive and thrive in the next era.
This is what we all want, Mathew, but problem is that they are not ready. Many are still deeply in the narrative, believe the unvaccinated and outspoken are their enemy. They are the equivalent of Good Nazis who will be frogmarched in a daze through the concentration camps after WWII. There is, happily, a large "middle" that can be reached, but unfortunately, while these people may have shifted on covid, they are balls deep in propaganda of the next crisis (we need to go to war with Russia).
I worry about all that, to be sure. But there are few modes to defeat them head on. Right now those with control can invent economic catastrophy and war to whatever degree suits their purposes. In most places, they can order targeted assassinations. When I meditate on solutions, the path seems like a long and careful one that involves education and a lot of dodging harms---like we all have to get good a half dozen forms of jujitsu: social jujitsu, economic jujitsu, logic jujitsu, and so forth.
“Now I just want for those around me, and those who wish to rebuild without those poisons, to survive and thrive in the next era.“
Kind of where I’m at now, too. We are at the start of what will likely be a long war, one that started a long time ago (see Isaiah 14:12-15). Me, I’m 64 and have had many good years. But I have grandkids with 2 more on the way. Not cool to steal their youths.
The Great Bifurcation. For those in our camp the next era is going to be exciting. Start finding your freedoms in this unfree world. Once people's unit of account is done in terms of satoshi's it's going to be a wild ride but for the better.
Indeed, there's little point in trying to convince anyone now. Inevitably most such people have a whole vocabulary list of terms to label anyone who disagrees with them so that they can shut down their own critical thought and wrap themselves in narrative. It's sad, because I work with PhDs who literally say things like "I just do what the corporation tells me, if they want me to wear a mask, I wear a mask, if they tell me not to wear one, I dont wear one...."
It's amazing because I would have only expected to hear such utterances from some union worker on a dangerous job site, but these midwits are convinced that compliance is the only smart thing.
Or they get pissed off at those who have not been conned and were trying to warn them all along. Watch out.
At least in the U.S., lots of people own guns meaning that the game theory of hunting down the disobedient doesn't look good for the average citizen. At that point, it's the militarized police people would need to worry about. That means that there are at least some levels of political restraint and solutions. I'm not optimistic about American politics, but there are lines that cannot be crossed easily for the purpose of systematic murder, so that's something.
Exactly when they are vaxxed and subsequently red pillled they have an overload of cognitive dissonance and they become very angry, hostile and defensive. They deny any possibility of a grain of truth. My 50 year old son hasn’t spoken yet me for 11 months after I told him he destroyed his innate immune system. He attempted to justify his decision by stating it was required by his employer. He took jab #1 in April 2021 and jab #2 in May 2021. No employer was mandating the vaccinations at that time. His job has been and continues to be remote at home work providing software tech support and their main office was closed for onsite work since March 2020. It’s really sad that the propaganda has successfully managed to pit family and friends against each other with their dump truck of lies, cover ups and suppression of alternative news . I’m a pure blood 72 year old and I continue to live a normal life and haven’t become ill, nor have I been tested. Most importantly, I don’t have TV service so I have remained propaganda free. TV and mainstream media have done enormous damage to people’s mental health and mass psychosis.
As Richard Helms once said about the media to a family friend back when he was running the CIA "Ignore that crap. It is all propaganda." Of course, as the man who ran Project Mockingbird he would know.
"But it would be nice to see the dialogue happen a little more politely" -- that lack of politeness is the key.
Coronamania is an excuse for people to unleash their hostility, to attack others and to feel superior doing so.
Now the fashionable cause is Ukraine and attacking Russia. It is shameful that Gergiev was banned from performing, but it is ludicrous that Russian cats were banned from international competition.
I have nothing against dialogue, but what is needed more than dialogue is derision.
A really great post—thank you! I never thought of the angle that people can game the system before. I assure you, as a practicing physician, every clinic session I have with my primary care patients I find at least one or two people with incomplete vaccination data. This is despite the fact that I use an electronic medical record that does bring in outside data, and my has an immunization registry. I have had multiple people with multiple courses of the two shot regiments, that are erroneous (I always ask my patients);more commonly many people area missing either the primary series or a booster shot. It is deeply frustrating. As a result, I trust no American studies, at least none from the CDC or my state, that have vaccination status as a variable unless they really describe in detail how they verified the vaccination status.
Thank you for adding one more physician observation to my information pool, and laying it out for other people to witness.
If you want to talk about sloppy, have a look at CDC vaccination categories...unvaccinated...fully vaccinated with two doses...boosted.
Where is the single dose category?
In the footnotes, the CDC mentions the 14 day waiting period. The short version is that anyone within the 14 day waiting period gets moved to the prior vaccination status.
This means that someone who got a single dose and is in the waiting period gets moved into the unvaccinated category. Also, someone who got two doses and is in the waiting period gets moved into the single dose category.
Where is the single dose category in all these CDC reports???
I'll bet you dollars to donuts that anyone who isn't fully vaccinated gets lumped into the "unvaccinated" category.
It’s a worrying time when personal, anecdotal evidence is scoffed at like it’s a lie on its face. Not one person I know, or even know of (have ever met even briefly at any time), has died from covid. I know one person who was in the hospital. I do, however, know one person who has pericarditis, of one person with acute kidney failure (awaiting transplant) and collapsed lungs, of two people who have died from recurrent, hyper aggressive cancers which were in remission previously, and another who now has brain cancer whose breast cancer was also in remission for years—after receiving the vaccines. It is difficult to justify this as coincidence, since even if it is, these people are forever gone and damaged, and simply saying it’s coincidence seems like a heartless, severely lacking explanation, and also ignores any lesson we might learn from the tragedies.
Just hearing about this exchange makes me recoil. It's become toxic trying to reason with those who are "all-in." Some from the "pro-vaxx" camp have adapted both an attitude of superiority and a manner of engaging that oozes vitriol. Perhaps they were always this sort of person, but now they've been give permission to let their inner-nasty out by the powers that be, such as Biden's winter of death and Trudeau's "these people take up space."
Those on the pro-vaxx side of the "war," who would benefit from understanding what has happened to the "pursuit" of science over the past several decades. This article sum up very well how pharma money not only infiltrated but destroyed what were previously gold standards:
https://medium.com/@bexstrong/big-pharma-corruption-and-lawsuits-amidst-covid-vaccine-c734a494b776
They would also benefit from reading TRAF, although it is unlikely the pro vax would do that.
Holy smoke.
The data I'd love to see, even though we never will- how many people got more than the recommended doses of a particular 'vaccine'? How many took more than one type of 'vaccine'? How many lied to get underage children the 'vaccine' early? How many lied about pre-existing conditions in order to be first in line for boosters?
The fact that we allowed these products to be administered all over the world without needing review from a physician beforehand, just grab and go style, on systems that did not communicate with eachother, is beyond incompetence. Pure negligence. Of course, when you scare the shit out of people and convince them they are going to die, they will do desperate things.
There are a shockingly large number of reports in VAERS that are of underage vaccine recipients. The total number is surely far higher than we know given the underreporting rates of VAERS and the fact that many of those reports acknowledge violations of law.
My 3 children live in heavily vaxxed eastern MA. They are exposed to a 1,000, actually 10’s of 1,000’s of people between their careers and social lives, and haven’t experienced a single person that’s been ill or has died. They’ve seen plenty of Covid survivors at least making them aware that vaccines aren’t effective, but haven’t seen it as disabling or deadly.
None of this will reach that tipping point or critical mass until the numbers are too large for MSM to hide any longer or public figures, (athletes, celebrities, etc) are harmed. For them, for now, life goes on. Same people doing the same thing every day. This report can’t compete with that. Yet.
I'm getting similar "no adverse effects to see here" reports from California's Marin County.
Perhaps mostly placebo doses in some areas?
It is a phase III clinical trial, no?
One friend reported that her family injected in Fairfax County, Virginia had no ill effects, but their son injected in rural North Carolina did suffer harm...
Months ago poet Linh Dinh wrote that the vaxx is causing cases, and gave the example of his native Vietnam. Just today Metatron made a similar claim regarding the Northern Mariana Islands.
The vaxx increasing cases would explain why the WEF World Government, which is profiting greatly off the plandemic and relishing its dictatorial control, has been relentless in pushing the vaxx. As I never tire of repeating, if the vaxx worked, it would be illegal.
https://metatron.substack.com/p/the-science-vs-science-evidence-from?r=wwaub&s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
Yep, the cases are diffused enough that people can ignore them--until it hits them directly.
In Canada many many people were forced to take the vaxx, in the late fall (or early winter) of 2021, to retain their employment. Some of these people have been feeling quite ill, for months now, since their 2nd dose. These such people are PISSED. They want justice, and since that can't be had, they wish it all would just burn down (our rotten civilization), at this point. Upcoming innings, on this covid thing, are going to be even more awful. No more public trust now. I think there are puppeteers that control the face of our institutions, that want this. Puppets (like Trudeau for instance) are now in big big trouble, existential-wise, as per many in the populace that feel they now want their pound of flesh, one way or the other. I believe the puppet masters want it that way. That is why the corps of institution, like the WEF's 'global young leaders', are filled with people of air-headed intelligence level (no allegiance to truth or reality), such faces of our institutions are easily controlled because of this carefully chosen and curated intellectual vacuousness. As such, one must wonder, ... when the puppet-masters allow their current kabuki theater to be burned down, and are in fact egging on such, .... what more awful hall of smoke and mirrors will it be replaced with?
It's time to go after the puppet masters, right now, forthwith, with no more delays, before it is too late. Every single person in the whole world, with a family wealth (inclusive of family charitable trusts, and the like) with more than 100 million dollars in net assets, needs to be put in the very information technology cages they are attempting to put us all in, except exceedingly more draconian (every utterance and key stoke must be monitored), to be obsessed over among the regular populace. What institution could take up the mantel of this worthy endeavor? I see only one ..... a reformed Holy Roman Catholic Church. Best we get on with the necessary reformation of the Holy Roman Catholic Church forthwith. This won't happen without a bottom up (grassroots) approach. I will be finally returning to church, very soon now, (after two years! of BS), and when I do I will seek out my pastor, and have a heart-to-heart, around this topic. Every devout Christian must now do this.
I liked your comment for the first half, where you framed the problem.
The second half, where you proposed a solution, is arguably weak, as the RC Church is much more thoroughly infiltrated and corrupted than I think you yet realize. But there are still a minority of good priests and many good parishioners, especially in the more "trad" congregations. As you seek a good parish, I encourage you to also explore your Orthodox Christian options as well, as they spring from the same root and I have found more "based" priests and congregation members among the Orthodox. But the Sabbatean-Frankists infiltrators have been subverting the Orthodox patriarchates as well, so be alert. I recently met Metropolitan Joseph of the Antiochian Orthodox Christian archdiocese of North America, and judge him to be a good man and a sincere Christian. He admitted falling for The Narrative for the first few weeks and appears to regret having submitted to the Covidians during the first Great Lent of the C19-psyop.
Welcome home!
I am a lifelong Catholic and a catechist and Church musician. I wish what we hear from those in management (the clergy and episcopacy, LOL) was more consistent and faithful. But humans in charge will be humans in charge...
Anyway, hang out with the good, strong, faithful ones. And the resistant lay-folk, and you'll be fine 😉
I am in NY and know quite a few people with fake vax cards. Early on, when the shot first came out, they were easy (yet expensive) to get and were the legitimate cards, left empty for you to fill out yourself. Then they were knock off cards, that would probably hold up if you laminated them (think fake tickets for a concert in the 90’s). Recently haven’t heard much about them. But you definitely have a good point about the data.
I'm wondering whether an adjuvant in the vaccine may play a wider role. Surgical "injury" for me required seventeen days (whereas a hospital stay overnight had been anticipated) Neurological symptoms mostly, which varied from day to day over the following months. A few months into this, covid rolls in. One year later, vaccines - common neurological symptoms reported by the vaccine injured. Was the same adjuvant in the anesthesia? Not being a researcher or a doctor, the local hospital system unlikely to come clean - I shall never know.
How about the fact that the different manufacturers have different amounts of mRNA in them (100micrograms in Moderna dose vs 30 for Pfizer). All of these variables further skew the data. No lonterm understanding of side effects. Regardless, I know more vaccine injured people that covid injured. 17 year old - heart attack after booster, 77 year old - died of unexplained hemorrhaging after her vaccine round. My niece has numbness and seizures in her legs after getting the jab. Seems Ike a viscious game of Russian Roulette. No thanks.
If AVP wants for Mutual Friend to stick to facts and precision, the simplest thing to ask AVP what precisely are the facts that lead AVP to the conclusion that dosing beyond recommendations can cause heart issues? What, according to AVP's argument, is the mechanism for action regarding how doses cause heart issues?
I get that this is essentially what you are framing up in your numbered points. But it's always worth asking people to state clearly in their own words what their reasoning process is, especially when these are the people who are demanding the rest of us stay clearly in the realm of precise facts and consensus observation. If they feel they have led themselves to the most factual, most consensual, most reliable inferences, they should know precisely how they got there. And given AVP is making a case that it's "antivax" to ignore that extra doses of the vax can cause heart issues, it's worth exploring how provax people think that any* doses can cause heart issues, and what they think are explanations *why* these vaxxes can cause heart issues.
AVP is already making an antivax case —or at least an "anti-mandate" case— if AVP acknowledges there is an inherent risk factor in *how* the vaxxes interact with the body to produce "heart issues." Even if they make the case that the "risk is worth it" to prevent one's own suffering from contracting COVID-19 from SARS-CoV-2 infection, it's also "worth it" to explore how they came to recognize transfecting a person to manufacture inside themselves a hybridized Spike protein modeled off of *a variation* of the SC2 Spike protein causes that person heart issues, isn't it?
And hopefully, AVP and anyone like him won't be models of "sloppy" reasoning. Hopefully, they give *precise* facts so that we can understand what *precisely* is the mechanism through which transfected Spike and immune system-bypassing LNPs can cause heart issues under these conditions.
Silly me. I naturally assumed the “A” in AVP stood for asshole. Six of one, half dozen of another, as they say.
What are the psychological effects that will result when a vaxxer becomes convinced that the vax is the cause of the onset of their illness or potentially dangerous to their health? Do we really want to bring them into the knowledge for their benefit or is it for our own vindication? If/when the truth of this vax comes out into the public, we are going to have a complex mental health, biological health, and institutional crisis.
Knowing what made you sick can be quite helpful in recovering or treating the illness. I would want to know why........and who......might be responsible. The resulting anger may be channeled into healing, or activism of self or others....otherwise folks die in confusion, not knowing why. Denying they are victims of BigPharma is not a good thing for the future.