RTE Roundtable Talk #8: SARS-CoV-2 Origins and Technocracy (Transcript)
Featuring Charles Rixey and Jonathan Couey, PhD
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This is a transcript of RTE RT#8
SARS-CoV-2 Origins
[00:00:00] Liam Sturgess: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Rounding the Earth podcast. Rounding the Earth is a popular newsletter series published on Substack written by applied statistician and educator, Mathew Crawford, topics of discussion range from critical analysis of conventional wisdom to Bitcoin and everything in between.
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[00:01:07] My name is Liam Sturgess. I'm a musician, music producer and writer/editor coming at you live from Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada, and I will be your host for today. But of course it's not just me. Please allow me to introduce the author of Rounding the Earth and my co-host for the podcast, Mathew Crawford. Good afternoon, Mathew.
[00:01:29] Mathew Crawford: Hey Liam. How are y0u?
[00:01:31] Liam Sturgess: Hey, I'm doing pretty well. Thank you. Yeah, I'm looking forward. I believe this is our first repeat guest that we're having. And I'm getting more and more curious about our topic for the day as I listen to this individual, Jonathan Cooey on his own stream Gigaohm Biological.
[00:01:49] I think I'm finally understanding some of the science myself that I wasn't getting until now. Yeah.
[00:01:55] Mathew Crawford: And, and it's a whole lot for anybody watching today. I just wanna say [00:02:00] everybody who has gone down the rabbit hole, if you want to call it that. But it it's a very serious research topic, but everybody who has, who has followed as much evidence as they could has had a difficult time putting it all together because it is.
[00:02:14] It is such a huge and broad amount of information that covers many branches of biology. So it's not simple for anyone. Nobody should think it's simple. We're gonna do the best we can to corner perhaps two or three topics and see how well we can make them plain. But it's not an easy job. And I, I've been talking with Jonathan a little bit about ways to possibly make it simpler going forward. But it's, it's a lot of work.
[00:02:42] Liam Sturgess: Hmm, indeed. Well, let's bring on the man himself and see if he can help us figure this out. Welcome, Jay.
[00:02:48] Jonathan Couey: Hello, welcome. Thank you. Goodness sake, I can't believe I'm the first double the double guy here. I feel very honored.
[00:02:55] Yeah. Anyway, let's, let's get started. I didn't, you didn't even fire me up about what we were gonna talk [00:03:00] about. So this is gonna be kind of interesting shooting from the hip here.
[00:03:02] Mathew Crawford: Well, i, I think that I saw Charles trying to get into the room. He may be having internet problems. So, you know, hopefully there will be four of us in here soon, but what I think that we may want to do today is is kind of create a little bit of a timeline as in, let's go back in history.
[00:03:20] Let's see if we can lay a foundation, like, you know, what, what happened that relates to the potential origin story you know, a potential coherent story as it all fits together, which I think we have a lot of pieces of, but I think there are more pieces to come. But let's go back pre 2000. And I want to ask you, Jonathan, what is the most important information that, you know either, either from your own background as a biologist or from what you've studied during the pandemic, that is likely to be part of the origin story as the truth would be revealed.
[00:03:55] Jonathan Couey: I really like how you chose to phrase that question. Because I think that, that that's [00:04:00] been my, my pitch for a long time is that we have to go pre pandemic and look at the biology from a pre pandemic perspective. Before we can really start to put into context. What's incongruent about what they've currently said and what we've been currently told about what's happened.
[00:04:15] And so if you go pre pandemic, There are a couple authorities in the medical field, which have come out, came out very early. One character that's virtually disappeared from the narrative is Wolfgang Wodarg from Germany. Another one is [unintelligable]. A guy from Rockefeller University in New York City.
[00:04:32] Both of these guys spoke out very early in the pandemic about a phenomenon where pneumonia like illness, PLI and, and, and influenza-like illness, ILI, were a group of designators for elderly respiratory disease, with a certain suite of symptoms. And often without a test needed, these would be assigned to either influenza or an unknown coronavirus.
[00:04:59] And so this was [00:05:00] just a, let's say a standard way of explaining a certain amount of people dying every year, all around the world and the seasonality of it. And so the first thing to understand is that. They have told us very specifically that before 2020, no one was dying of a coronavirus. And in fact, they've made statements that are dubious in the media in the last year and a half about how rhino viruses are actually the primary source of the common cold.
[00:05:29] When before 2020, you can find medical textbooks and common brochures and, and even novels saying that the common cold is actually coronaviruses. And so it's very strange inversion there. So if you start there and you say that before 2020, there was a certain amount of people every year. And it was significant.
[00:05:49] It was between 25 and 30% of all respiratory disease and elderly people was thought to be unknown coronaviruses. And then after [00:06:00] 2020, those deaths were all gone. And you also know that influenza was all gone. And many people said it was viral replacement or competition or all this other stuff. But what we needed to see was all cause mortality rate.
[00:06:15] And that's the other thing pre pandemic that none of us really understand before the pandemic in America, every year, 2.8 million people were expected to die plus or minus 200,000. So that number should have been the starting point of describing the pandemic and its impact on our societies from the very beginning.
[00:06:38] But instead every graph on the news started with zero and went to some positive number of COVID cases or COVID deaths. And so if you start pre 2020 and think about the origins, the first thing to understand is that before 2020, there were coronavirus. There wasn't a lot we could do about 'em. They were an accepted fact.
[00:06:59] One of the [00:07:00] many ways that elderly people could, could enter the grave, it was just normal. It wasn't a, it wasn't a world health problem.
