RTE Roundtable Talk #7: Fraud: A COVID-19 Vaccine Summary (Transcript)
Featuring Brook Jackson and Warner Mendenhall
Fraud: A COVID-19 Vaccine Summary - Round Table w/Brook Jackson and Warner Mendenhall
[00:00:00] Liam Sturgess: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Rounding the Earth. Rounding the Earth is a popular newsletter series published on Substack written by applied statistician and educator, Mathew Crawford. Topics of discussion range from critical analysis of conventional wisdom, to Bitcoin, and everything in between.
[00:00:43] And of course, more recently, the COVID-19 pandemic. Our goal is a careful examination of important topics and perspectives shaping the world that too few people talk about. Subscribe to Rounding the Earth on Substack, Rumble, and YouTube to join a [00:01:00] burgeoning research community and to help us un-flatten the earth.
[00:01:05] My name is Liam Sturgess. I am a musician, music producer, and writer/editor coming at you live. 10 seconds early from Vancouver, British Columbia, Canadand I will be your host for today. And please allow me to introduce the author of Rounding the Earth and my co-host for the podcast, Mathew Crawford.
[00:01:23] How are you, Mathew?
[00:01:25] Mathew Crawford: I'm great, Liam. How are you doing?
[00:01:27] Liam Sturgess: Oh, I'm doing super well, bright and early. Got my coffee again. Started 10 seconds early. I think we're on the right track.
[00:01:34] Mathew Crawford: Yeah, I've been talking with good people all day. And we, you know, we were just having a chat with Brook and Warner before getting started and I enjoy the energy and the attitude.
[00:01:45] It's good to find out that there's some things going right instead of wrong.
[00:01:49] Liam Sturgess: That's right. Yeah. You tend to, I mean, news that is shocking or upsetting or bad is the stuff that sells. So I think we hear a lot of that when in reality, there's also a lot of good stuff happening behind the scenes.[00:02:00]
[00:02:00] So let me...
[00:02:00] Mathew Crawford: ...bad news is, it's also the stuff that we have to work on, right? We have to document, we have to figure it out.
[00:02:06] Liam Sturgess: Well, let me, you've already mentioned who our guests are. Anyone who's read the title will know who our guests are. So I'm just gonna briefly introduce folks. You may have heard of Brook Jackson, the whistleblower from Ventavia Research Group who identified critical flaws in the clinical trials for the Pfizer- BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine taking place at Ventavia, provided an exclusive to the BMJ, which then led to a whole bunch of public disclosures. Brook has been a wonderful advocate for the American people and by extension, frankly, the people of the world I got to watch as she testified at the Canadian Covid Care Alliance's Citizens' Hearing at the end of June, which was absolutely fantastic.
[00:02:48] And joining Brook is a wonderful lawyer named Warner Mendenhall, who you can find at covidlawcast.com. I'm a new, very big fan. And this is [00:03:00] Mendenhall law group, his website. Please allow me to bring in Brook Jackson and Warner Mendenhall. How are you guys?
[00:03:08] Brook Jackson: Hey guys, how are y'all?
[00:03:09] Warner Mendenhall: Yeah, just great.
[00:03:11] Brook Jackson: Thank you.
[00:03:12] Liam Sturgess: So I hope I did okay on those introductions, but let's, let's have you guys fill in the blanks, Brook, for those of you who may not be familiar in the audience of Brook Jackson, Brook, do you wanna, do you want to like I said, fill in some of the gaps.
[00:03:25] Brook Jackson: Sure, sure. So I am a 20 year clinical research professional and that most of that experience has been at the clinical trial site level.
[00:03:34] So where the patients are recruited to participate in clinical trials, I've been a coordinator of those studies. I have been a clinical trial manager prior to the position at Ventavia Research Group, I was a director of operations for a very similar company and was just looking to stay at home and not travel as frequently.
[00:03:55] So I applied to Ventavia and was offered the position right [00:04:00] away.
[00:04:02] Liam Sturgess: And the rest is history, I suppose.
[00:04:03] Brook Jackson: The rest is history.
[00:04:04] Liam Sturgess: Warner, would you like to introduce yourself to the audience as well?
[00:04:08] Warner Mendenhall: I'm the managing attorney at Mendenhall law group. We are a small firm of six attorneys based in Boston, Massachusetts, and Ohio.
[00:04:17] We have done a lot of whistleblower litigation for the last 24 years under the Federal False Claims Act. And that's how Brook and I kind of came together because of that experience of history. But beyond that, we also litigate against governments, both local state and federal governments for violations ranging from civil rights violations, election violations all kinds of things environmental issues in particular, that was a big case we had involving.
[00:04:47] A landfill where the military had dumped radioactive materials here in near, near Akron, Ohio, it's called the industrial excess landfill. So we've been aware of local state and federal government abuses for [00:05:00] years. And we have done everything we can to correct them and help citizens who want to correct them.
[00:05:05] And so obviously when COVID hit we immediately saw the abuses just start to pile up essentially. And we went to work. Our very first case was a business shutdown case, and that is pending at the Ohio Supreme Court right now.
[00:05:19] Liam Sturgess: Fantastic. Before I let Mathew get started with sort of the first line of discussion, I personally just want to thank you both because you, in your individual ways, and as a team have you've inspired I think millions of people in the states and probably millions and millions more around the world, through your, your bravery, you're facing up against, like you say, government, big industry and seemingly without cracking a sweat.
[00:05:45] So thank you for your bravery. Thank you for everything you've done, I just wanna start there.
[00:05:49] Warner Mendenhall: Liam. I appreciate that, but I wanna, I wanna clarify it a little bit. The, the heroes are not the attorneys. I mean, we're here, we're here to help. We do a job. [00:06:00] We're we're the, the technical guys who try to get it done, but the heroes are definitely people like Brook Jackson who are willing to stand up because even though I like these fights, I want to be involved in these fights.
[00:06:12] This is what I do for a living. And I love it. I can't do my job without people like Brook Jackson. So I it's the people who are standing up every last one of you who's standing up, even kids. We've had kids stand up to mask mandates.
[00:06:26] Liam Sturgess: Mm-hmm.
[00:06:26] Warner Mendenhall: You know, that creates the issue that we then can go and help help them out with.
[00:06:32] But without people standing up, I'm just sitting here in my office.
[00:06:36] Liam Sturgess: Hmm. I completely agree.
[00:06:38] Mathew Crawford: I think that there's something heroic about every single person who right now in this era is standing up and not going along to get along willing to push back, willing to speak up. But some people sacrifice more than others.
[00:06:50] and with that I I'm gonna get started with some questions. I'm gonna start with with Brook. So you you've had a 20 year experience sorry, 20, 20 years of experience [00:07:00] before. Before what happened during the pandemic? Can you, can you tell us how different things were in this particular trial from what you had seen over 20 years?
[00:07:11] And was there anything like, like creep of control over the trials during that time that you could point to and say, you know, in retrospect we were moving in the wrong direction already or, or, you know, methods for, for manipulating research might have been put in place or was it just like, this was a completely different experience than anything that you had seen?
[00:07:34] Brook Jackson: Night and day.